> There's no absolute lean at all it's all subjective, and sadly multidimensional which is hard for normal people to appreciate, so sure. I guess "absolute" is

> There's no absolute lean at all it's all subjective, and sadly multidimensional which is hard for normal people to appreciate, so sure. I guess "absolute" is the wrong word. Lean isn't really a measurable thing, which is sorta my point. The GP claimed that there was, my claim was that all we have are people's feelings, and people don't feel in absolute terms, they just notice when there's a change so the linked data on peoples feelings probably doesn't support the claim.