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Can you at a high level explain why people are mad about this? Is there a difference in the sort of people on Bluesky vs Mastodon, or is it a technical disagree

Can you at a high level explain why people are mad about this? Is there a difference in the sort of people on Bluesky vs Mastodon, or is it a technical disagreement?

steveklabnik 3y ago
Again, please keep in mind that this is my perception of others' arguments, and so may have some bias. I am going to try and counteract that with my wording here, but maybe someone who holds this position can drop by and give their own summary. I have seen two main complaints: * This is opt-out not opt-in, and I don't like that. * BlueSky is bad because it is run by a company (sometimes with a suggestion that Jack Dorsey owns and runs the place), and I think the fediverse should be free from corporate influence, and so I object to the idea of a bridge.
- kstrauser 3y ago
  In my experience, the former was the majority of the complaints. The common sentiment I saw boiled down to "if I wanted my posts to be on Bluesky, I'd have posted them there." I agree with that completely. It wasn't so much that it was Bluesky in particular, as that someone made an opt-out system that would re-publish all their content elsewhere.
  - consumer451 3y ago
    It is worth noting that being indexed by Google is also opt-out on Mastodon.
- crossroadsguy 3y ago
  Anything run by someone like Jack Dorsey should be away from something like fediverse. He literally killed third party ecosystem on Twitter after multiple times begging developers to come and revive the platform. Without those third party apps Twitter would not have been anywhere close to the size it reached. Yes, he, Dorsey, did it. I don’t should discount that one bit! Should we give him or people like him another chance? Fuck no. History is filled with examples of embrace and extinguish. Let’s wish him luck for AT Proto (actually BSKY; he is not interested in AT; AT is the bait, the lure, because he knows well people will just flock the first and the biggest).
  - wmf 3y ago
    Bluesky isn't run by Jack Dorsey BTW. It kind of looks like he disowned it.
  - steveklabnik 3y ago
    BlueSky isn't run by Jack Dorsey. I'm not a fan of him either. Luckily, he's doing nostr instead.
    - crossroadsguy 3y ago
      Got it. Thanks for correcting me. I was ill-informed. (He’s on the board of directors though it seems - there are two people there I think).
vidarh 3y ago
People don't like the perception that someone is doing something to their posts without them opting in. Mastodon is very sensitive to that. People will still bridge the two in various ways. People will also bolt on more direct bridging to Mastodon if there's any demand from Bluesky users. Basically, unless Bluesky totally fails, it will be embraced and extended by the broader broader Fediverse, because why not?
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Can you at a high level explain why people are mad about this? Is there a difference in the sort of people on Bluesky vs Mastodon, or is it a technical disagreement?

steveklabnik 3y ago

Again, please keep in mind that this is my perception of others' arguments, and so may have some bias. I am going to try and counteract that with my wording here, but maybe someone who holds this position can drop by and give their own summary. I have seen two main complaints: * This is opt-out not opt-in, and I don't like that. * BlueSky is bad because it is run by a company (sometimes with a suggestion that Jack Dorsey owns and runs the place), and I think the fediverse should be free from corporate influence, and so I object to the idea of a bridge.

kstrauser 3y ago
In my experience, the former was the majority of the complaints. The common sentiment I saw boiled down to "if I wanted my posts to be on Bluesky, I'd have posted them there." I agree with that completely. It wasn't so much that it was Bluesky in particular, as that someone made an opt-out system that would re-publish all their content elsewhere.
- consumer451 3y ago
  It is worth noting that being indexed by Google is also opt-out on Mastodon.
crossroadsguy 3y ago
Anything run by someone like Jack Dorsey should be away from something like fediverse. He literally killed third party ecosystem on Twitter after multiple times begging developers to come and revive the platform. Without those third party apps Twitter would not have been anywhere close to the size it reached. Yes, he, Dorsey, did it. I don’t should discount that one bit! Should we give him or people like him another chance? Fuck no. History is filled with examples of embrace and extinguish. Let’s wish him luck for AT Proto (actually BSKY; he is not interested in AT; AT is the bait, the lure, because he knows well people will just flock the first and the biggest).
- wmf 3y ago
  Bluesky isn't run by Jack Dorsey BTW. It kind of looks like he disowned it.
- steveklabnik 3y ago
  BlueSky isn't run by Jack Dorsey. I'm not a fan of him either. Luckily, he's doing nostr instead.
  - crossroadsguy 3y ago
    Got it. Thanks for correcting me. I was ill-informed. (He’s on the board of directors though it seems - there are two people there I think).

vidarh 3y ago

People don't like the perception that someone is doing something to their posts without them opting in. Mastodon is very sensitive to that. People will still bridge the two in various ways. People will also bolt on more direct bridging to Mastodon if there's any demand from Bluesky users. Basically, unless Bluesky totally fails, it will be embraced and extended by the broader broader Fediverse, because why not?

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