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> They don’t rule it out completely, Well, > Are you thinking about advertisements at all? > > There will always be free options, and we can't enshittify th

> They don’t rule it out completely, Well, > Are you thinking about advertisements at all? > > There will always be free options, and we can't enshittify the network with ads. This is where federation comes in. The fact that anyone can self-host and anyone can build on the software means that we'll never be able to degrade the user experience in a way where people want to leave. https://www.wired.com/story/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-wont-enshittify-ads/ https://www.wired.com/story/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-wont-ensh... This reads as definitive to me personally.

layer8 3y ago
In their business-plan post, they stated: “We set out to build a protocol where users can own their data and always have the freedom to leave, and this approach means that advertising couldn’t be our dominant business model.” Which reads like advertising could still be a possibility, but not as a dominant factor.
- steveklabnik 3y ago
  Fair!
Repulsion9513 3y ago
> enshittify with ads > we'll never be able to degrade the user experience in a way where people want to leave Neither of those is the same as "no ads". They're just saying that they can't make the ads so bad that most people want to leave, because then people will leave and the ads won't be shown to anyone.
- jakebsky 3y ago
  Reddit destroyed Apollo so they could inject ads into the Reddit experience. Bluesky doesn't have the ability to do this. There's no API key to revoke that could stop someone else from running parallel apps/infrastructure/etc. The network is completely open.
  - Repulsion9513 3y ago
    Reddit had ads long before they destroyed Apollo. Thanks for providing additional evidence for my point.
    - jakebsky 3y ago
      Sure, but Apollo made it easy for users that didn't want ads to use Reddit without them. Destroying Apollo removed that ability for most people. I'm about as anti-ads as it gets but I don't object to other people using apps with ads in them, if that's their choice.
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layer8 3y ago

In their business-plan post, they stated: “We set out to build a protocol where users can own their data and always have the freedom to leave, and this approach means that advertising couldn’t be our dominant business model.” Which reads like advertising could still be a possibility, but not as a dominant factor.

steveklabnik 3y ago
Fair!

Repulsion9513 3y ago

> enshittify with ads > we'll never be able to degrade the user experience in a way where people want to leave Neither of those is the same as "no ads". They're just saying that they can't make the ads so bad that most people want to leave, because then people will leave and the ads won't be shown to anyone.

jakebsky 3y ago
Reddit destroyed Apollo so they could inject ads into the Reddit experience. Bluesky doesn't have the ability to do this. There's no API key to revoke that could stop someone else from running parallel apps/infrastructure/etc. The network is completely open.
- Repulsion9513 3y ago
  Reddit had ads long before they destroyed Apollo. Thanks for providing additional evidence for my point.
  - jakebsky 3y ago
    Sure, but Apollo made it easy for users that didn't want ads to use Reddit without them. Destroying Apollo removed that ability for most people. I'm about as anti-ads as it gets but I don't object to other people using apps with ads in them, if that's their choice.
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