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I understand why games are a big part of their focus, but I wish regular boring windows software was a bigger focus. I've tried so many times over the years to

I understand why games are a big part of their focus, but I wish regular boring windows software was a bigger focus. I've tried so many times over the years to get WordPerfect and a few other niche business apps going in Wine/CrossOver to migrate my parents away from Windows with little success.

SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
I feel like it used to be, but perhaps I'm wrong. Regardless, with Proton around, it seems like focusing on games is not the best path forward for distinguishing their product, but competition isn't the worst thing. Biggest problem with that strategy is that I just don't associate their brand with it. For whatever reason, perhaps their historical focus if I'm right about that, I always think of getting office and productivity apps working when I think Crossover.
- olliej 3y ago
  Proton is Linux only and it seems crossover has a Big Mac focus so it’s seems reasonable for them to match proton. [edit: I’m leaving the autocarrot capitalization of Big Mac in place :)]
  - SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
    Oh interesting, that hadn't occured to me, but they do mention macOS a lot in their materials, so that makes sense. From what I've read, here and elsewhere, Apple doesn't really reciprocate contributions to WINE, so embedding improvements aimed at smoothing out the experience on that platform inside the commercial wing on WINE development makes some sense in general. Thanks, their whole model makes a bit more sense to me now.
    - olliej 3y ago
      As I understand it, but to be clear I’m not involved in the wine community, codeweavers does a lot of the Mac contributions. I know apple has game porting toolkit or whatever they call it, which is essentially proton for Mac (built in wine etc) but I don’t know to what extent that is upstreamed. As a disclosure, I do currently work for the fruit company but not on this or anything adjacent and I’m not speaking for it in anyway.
- azinman2 3y ago
  Take a look at this: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=vendor&iId=110&sAction=view&sTitle=View+Developer https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bI... Now a bunch of these are old ratings, but it should give you some sense of the history (current state?) of things. I think maybe Word works well enough (?) just because there are a lot of eyes on it. Everything else? Less so.
  - SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
    Bloody hell, glad I didn't buy that recent Corel focused Humble Bundle on a whim. I was that close.
- nialv7 3y ago
  Codeweavers is the main company working on Proton... Seems like a lot of people aren't aware of that.
bryanlarsen 3y ago
I doubt it's that Crossover focuses on games, it's just that it shares a code base with Proton which does, so it gets the game support "for free".
- mariusor 3y ago
  Crossover predates Proton by about 10-12 years, and currently CodeWeavers are one of the main companies contributing code to it. The company did start their efforts as a way to make MS Office work on Macs, but I think that bringing games to linux/Mac is what made them known in the nerd circles.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    > Crossover predates Proton by about 10-12 years And using Wine for games predates using Wine for MS Office by several years. MS Office has always been the primary target, but it's such a large surface area that some games were functional before MS Office was. > The company did start their efforts as a way to make MS Office work on Macs Wine and the Crossover company were Linux only for many years.
serf 3y ago
my kingdom for a solution that makes fusion 360 work on linux without quirks. everything out there either drops the render speed to nothing, breaks integrations, breaks anything to do with the browser (which includes login), or creates strange mouse/keyboard behaviors that have to be fixed with more layers of patchwork. The only halfway decent way to get it done is with qemu/gpu-passthrough , but that's a whole different pain in the ass.

SuperNinKenDo 3y ago

I feel like it used to be, but perhaps I'm wrong. Regardless, with Proton around, it seems like focusing on games is not the best path forward for distinguishing their product, but competition isn't the worst thing. Biggest problem with that strategy is that I just don't associate their brand with it. For whatever reason, perhaps their historical focus if I'm right about that, I always think of getting office and productivity apps working when I think Crossover.

olliej 3y ago
Proton is Linux only and it seems crossover has a Big Mac focus so it’s seems reasonable for them to match proton. [edit: I’m leaving the autocarrot capitalization of Big Mac in place :)]
- SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
  Oh interesting, that hadn't occured to me, but they do mention macOS a lot in their materials, so that makes sense. From what I've read, here and elsewhere, Apple doesn't really reciprocate contributions to WINE, so embedding improvements aimed at smoothing out the experience on that platform inside the commercial wing on WINE development makes some sense in general. Thanks, their whole model makes a bit more sense to me now.
  - olliej 3y ago
    As I understand it, but to be clear I’m not involved in the wine community, codeweavers does a lot of the Mac contributions. I know apple has game porting toolkit or whatever they call it, which is essentially proton for Mac (built in wine etc) but I don’t know to what extent that is upstreamed. As a disclosure, I do currently work for the fruit company but not on this or anything adjacent and I’m not speaking for it in anyway.
azinman2 3y ago
Take a look at this: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=vendor&iId=110&sAction=view&sTitle=View+Developer https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bI... Now a bunch of these are old ratings, but it should give you some sense of the history (current state?) of things. I think maybe Word works well enough (?) just because there are a lot of eyes on it. Everything else? Less so.
- SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
  Bloody hell, glad I didn't buy that recent Corel focused Humble Bundle on a whim. I was that close.
nialv7 3y ago
Codeweavers is the main company working on Proton... Seems like a lot of people aren't aware of that.

bryanlarsen 3y ago

I doubt it's that Crossover focuses on games, it's just that it shares a code base with Proton which does, so it gets the game support "for free".

mariusor 3y ago
Crossover predates Proton by about 10-12 years, and currently CodeWeavers are one of the main companies contributing code to it. The company did start their efforts as a way to make MS Office work on Macs, but I think that bringing games to linux/Mac is what made them known in the nerd circles.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  > Crossover predates Proton by about 10-12 years And using Wine for games predates using Wine for MS Office by several years. MS Office has always been the primary target, but it's such a large surface area that some games were functional before MS Office was. > The company did start their efforts as a way to make MS Office work on Macs Wine and the Crossover company were Linux only for many years.

serf 3y ago

my kingdom for a solution that makes fusion 360 work on linux without quirks. everything out there either drops the render speed to nothing, breaks integrations, breaks anything to do with the browser (which includes login), or creates strange mouse/keyboard behaviors that have to be fixed with more layers of patchwork. The only halfway decent way to get it done is with qemu/gpu-passthrough , but that's a whole different pain in the ass.