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Your argument against federation and open communication is that bad people might use it? What's to stop bad people from using the main Bluesky instance?

colesantiago 3y ago
There is a form of moderation on the main instance. A self hosted instance will have no such moderation.
- orthecreedence 3y ago
  > A self hosted instance will have no such moderation. Maybe I'm missing something here. Are the federated instances less functional than the main instance? Is this some kind of weird freemium thing they're doing? (I'm actually asking, I'm not familiar with Bluesky much at all.)
  - steveklabnik 3y ago
    I have not yet reviewed the code, but the federated instances should be equally as functional as the main instance. However, having the option of functionality does not mean that they will operate the same way. Your parent is not making a technical claim, but a social one: that there will be instances that are effectively unmoderated, because the people who run it hold that up as some kind of ideal, and that that is a problem. I do not share this opinion personally, but have seen many people express it, so I feel like I am representing it accurately. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it's incorrect, and not just an opinion, because unlike in Mastodon, moderation is not tied to your instance. Of course, whoever owns an instance can decide to kick someone off of it, but that's not the primary moderation mechanism in BlueSky, which allows you to choose your own set of moderation tools, regardless of which instance you or anyone else belongs to. I linked to the main three posts to understand BlueSky's moderation stances and features upthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39471973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39471973
    - orthecreedence 3y ago
      > Your parent is not making a technical claim, but a social one: that there will be instances that are effectively unmoderated, because the people who run it hold that up as some kind of ideal, and that that is a problem. Ah that makes sense. Thanks for reframing this. I don't particularly agree either, but I think I now understand the viewpoint better.
- shkkmo 3y ago
  A self hosted instance will have whatever moderation the host chooses to implement (such as CSAM monitoring if required by law.) On top of that, user defined moderation will be applied from block and mute lists. Hopefully this will include using 3rd party lists and eventually, user specified content filters.
numpad0 3y ago
It's always porn, or political extremism. Nobody opposes literal spams, but the definition of former two depends on cultural backgrounds and there will always be demonization around those.

colesantiago 3y ago

There is a form of moderation on the main instance. A self hosted instance will have no such moderation.

orthecreedence 3y ago
> A self hosted instance will have no such moderation. Maybe I'm missing something here. Are the federated instances less functional than the main instance? Is this some kind of weird freemium thing they're doing? (I'm actually asking, I'm not familiar with Bluesky much at all.)
- steveklabnik 3y ago
  I have not yet reviewed the code, but the federated instances should be equally as functional as the main instance. However, having the option of functionality does not mean that they will operate the same way. Your parent is not making a technical claim, but a social one: that there will be instances that are effectively unmoderated, because the people who run it hold that up as some kind of ideal, and that that is a problem. I do not share this opinion personally, but have seen many people express it, so I feel like I am representing it accurately. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it's incorrect, and not just an opinion, because unlike in Mastodon, moderation is not tied to your instance. Of course, whoever owns an instance can decide to kick someone off of it, but that's not the primary moderation mechanism in BlueSky, which allows you to choose your own set of moderation tools, regardless of which instance you or anyone else belongs to. I linked to the main three posts to understand BlueSky's moderation stances and features upthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39471973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39471973
  - orthecreedence 3y ago
    > Your parent is not making a technical claim, but a social one: that there will be instances that are effectively unmoderated, because the people who run it hold that up as some kind of ideal, and that that is a problem. Ah that makes sense. Thanks for reframing this. I don't particularly agree either, but I think I now understand the viewpoint better.
shkkmo 3y ago
A self hosted instance will have whatever moderation the host chooses to implement (such as CSAM monitoring if required by law.) On top of that, user defined moderation will be applied from block and mute lists. Hopefully this will include using 3rd party lists and eventually, user specified content filters.

numpad0 3y ago

It's always porn, or political extremism. Nobody opposes literal spams, but the definition of former two depends on cultural backgrounds and there will always be demonization around those.