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I’m going to need to see the actual products at this point. The times when we trusted Intel to deliver what it promises ended many years ago.

by ein0p 3y ago

wmf 3y ago
You can buy Core Ultra (Meteor Lake) laptops made with Intel 4 so they've finally demonstrably broken out of the 10 nm/7 nm rut.
- ein0p 3y ago
  You’d think that “Intel 4” refers to 4nm, and “Intel 7” refers to 7nm, but Anandtech doesn’t think so: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17448/intel-4-process-node-in-detail-2x-density-scaling-20-improved-performance https://www.anandtech.com/show/17448/intel-4-process-node-in... Quote: “Previously known as Intel’s 7nm process, Intel 4 is Intel’s first time using EUV lithography for their chips.”
  - wmf 3y ago
    This doesn't mean anything if you think deeper. What if the original "7 nm" name was inaccurate and "4" is more representative of the process's performance?
    - ein0p 3y ago
      What, and do hear me out on this, Intel 4 is just the invention of Intel’s marketing department aimed to confuse people who don’t know what they’re talking about? Do you think that’s more likely perhaps? Notice how strenuously they avoid any mention of the process node in all their materials.
      - wmf 3y ago
        I mostly agree, but if TSMC and Samsung are "lying" about nanometers... what is Intel supposed to do about that? Just keep punching themselves in the face by underselling their processes? Also see https://fuse.wikichip.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/hp-density-14nm-5nm.png https://fuse.wikichip.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/hp-dens...
- ryukoposting 3y ago
  Intel 4 is Intel's 7nm process. Their own marketing slides occasionally say "Intel 4 (formerly 'Intel 7nm')."
- j_walter 3y ago
  Well you mentioned their latest and greatest...which also uses three of TSMC's N5 chips in it. So they may have solved that 2021 problem with 7nm tech, but they are still relying heavily on TSMC for their best chips right now.

I’m going to need to see the actual products at this point. The times when we trusted Intel to deliver what it promises ended many years ago.

by ein0p 3y ago

I’m going to need to see the actual products at this point. The times when we trusted Intel to deliver what it promises ended many years ago.

wmf 3y ago

You can buy Core Ultra (Meteor Lake) laptops made with Intel 4 so they've finally demonstrably broken out of the 10 nm/7 nm rut.

ein0p 3y ago
You’d think that “Intel 4” refers to 4nm, and “Intel 7” refers to 7nm, but Anandtech doesn’t think so: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17448/intel-4-process-node-in-detail-2x-density-scaling-20-improved-performance https://www.anandtech.com/show/17448/intel-4-process-node-in... Quote: “Previously known as Intel’s 7nm process, Intel 4 is Intel’s first time using EUV lithography for their chips.”
- wmf 3y ago
  This doesn't mean anything if you think deeper. What if the original "7 nm" name was inaccurate and "4" is more representative of the process's performance?
  - ein0p 3y ago
    What, and do hear me out on this, Intel 4 is just the invention of Intel’s marketing department aimed to confuse people who don’t know what they’re talking about? Do you think that’s more likely perhaps? Notice how strenuously they avoid any mention of the process node in all their materials.
    - wmf 3y ago
      I mostly agree, but if TSMC and Samsung are "lying" about nanometers... what is Intel supposed to do about that? Just keep punching themselves in the face by underselling their processes? Also see https://fuse.wikichip.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/hp-density-14nm-5nm.png https://fuse.wikichip.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/hp-dens...
ryukoposting 3y ago
Intel 4 is Intel's 7nm process. Their own marketing slides occasionally say "Intel 4 (formerly 'Intel 7nm')."
j_walter 3y ago
Well you mentioned their latest and greatest...which also uses three of TSMC's N5 chips in it. So they may have solved that 2021 problem with 7nm tech, but they are still relying heavily on TSMC for their best chips right now.