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> Quite the cultural flame war in this thread. It's kind of the perfect storm, because both sides of the argument include a mixture of reasonable well-intentio

> Quite the cultural flame war in this thread. It's kind of the perfect storm, because both sides of the argument include a mixture of reasonable well-intentioned people, and crazy extremists. However you choose to be upset about this, you always have someone crazy to point at.

Intralexical 3y ago
> However you choose to be upset about this, you always have someone crazy to point at. Scary! I hope nobody finds a way to exploit this dynamic for profit.
- wakawaka28 3y ago
  Why do you think the elites love this woke shit? Because it divides people.
  - scada_slayer 3y ago
    More than just the elites. The extreme division between all Americans from any group - political, racial, religious etc. - is all part of a large, ongoing cyberwarfare attack from Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency I'm sure other nations are involved, Russia has just done the most recorded damage so far. The entire point of red vs blue, black vs white, rich vs poor rhetoric is to divide and conquer the American people.
    - wakawaka28 3y ago
      There are possibly many entities with interests in destabilizing the US. The US does the same to other countries. I'm not talking about cyberattacks and the Russiagate hoax invented by the mainstream media in collusion with Hillary Clinton. I'm talking about the words and actions of the most powerful people in the world who are on all the big corporate boards and have the backing of every big media outlet. The Russiagate hoax deserves a thread of its own.
    - Intralexical 3y ago
      Income/wealth inequality, stagnating wages, regulatory capture, racial tensions and inequities, and deindustrialization, are absolutely real and a problem. But yes, the divisiveness and corrosive, adversarial dynamics of the discussion around those issues is largely synthetic. And it's not just from other countries. A lot of American citizens that have power in the status quo would prefer if the status quo were not possible to productively challenge. And a lot of other American citizens that care about nothing simply don't mind fracturing and dismembering the discourse if doing so is the most convenient way to maximize paperclips— Uh, ad profits.
wakawaka28 3y ago
Well, it's not crazy extremist to say that there is a woke cult out there that hates white people, and wants to systematically suppress them. The same people ironically claim to be oppressed by white people as every major corporation and liberal politician lines up to do their bidding.
- calf 3y ago
  Someone being well-off, having power/wealth/influence, can still be a victim of racism and social marginalization. There's no irony or contradiction there.
  - wakawaka28 3y ago
    Yes of course! If you think not, you have no imagination. You can be a victim of crime, disproportionately taxed, pushed out of your job over bullshit, not hired, hated by a lot of people for simply existing, treated unfairly in court. All because your race is blamed for everything. You don't have to lose it all to experience racism. You could get sucker punched in the street by someone with racial motives. Look up "Knockout Game" to see how black kids actually do that. I hate to bring up the Jews, but they are a classic group that fits the description. Arguably wealthier than average but blamed for everything by some people. Certainly nobody would deny they are facing racism. The leftists who call everyone Nazis are terrorizing innocent Jews around the country right now.

Intralexical 3y ago

> However you choose to be upset about this, you always have someone crazy to point at. Scary! I hope nobody finds a way to exploit this dynamic for profit.

wakawaka28 3y ago
Why do you think the elites love this woke shit? Because it divides people.
- scada_slayer 3y ago
  More than just the elites. The extreme division between all Americans from any group - political, racial, religious etc. - is all part of a large, ongoing cyberwarfare attack from Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency I'm sure other nations are involved, Russia has just done the most recorded damage so far. The entire point of red vs blue, black vs white, rich vs poor rhetoric is to divide and conquer the American people.
  - wakawaka28 3y ago
    There are possibly many entities with interests in destabilizing the US. The US does the same to other countries. I'm not talking about cyberattacks and the Russiagate hoax invented by the mainstream media in collusion with Hillary Clinton. I'm talking about the words and actions of the most powerful people in the world who are on all the big corporate boards and have the backing of every big media outlet. The Russiagate hoax deserves a thread of its own.
  - Intralexical 3y ago
    Income/wealth inequality, stagnating wages, regulatory capture, racial tensions and inequities, and deindustrialization, are absolutely real and a problem. But yes, the divisiveness and corrosive, adversarial dynamics of the discussion around those issues is largely synthetic. And it's not just from other countries. A lot of American citizens that have power in the status quo would prefer if the status quo were not possible to productively challenge. And a lot of other American citizens that care about nothing simply don't mind fracturing and dismembering the discourse if doing so is the most convenient way to maximize paperclips— Uh, ad profits.

wakawaka28 3y ago

Well, it's not crazy extremist to say that there is a woke cult out there that hates white people, and wants to systematically suppress them. The same people ironically claim to be oppressed by white people as every major corporation and liberal politician lines up to do their bidding.

calf 3y ago
Someone being well-off, having power/wealth/influence, can still be a victim of racism and social marginalization. There's no irony or contradiction there.
- wakawaka28 3y ago
  Yes of course! If you think not, you have no imagination. You can be a victim of crime, disproportionately taxed, pushed out of your job over bullshit, not hired, hated by a lot of people for simply existing, treated unfairly in court. All because your race is blamed for everything. You don't have to lose it all to experience racism. You could get sucker punched in the street by someone with racial motives. Look up "Knockout Game" to see how black kids actually do that. I hate to bring up the Jews, but they are a classic group that fits the description. Arguably wealthier than average but blamed for everything by some people. Certainly nobody would deny they are facing racism. The leftists who call everyone Nazis are terrorizing innocent Jews around the country right now.