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> The San Diego M-F 9-5 lifestyle always was more important than taking over the world. Sounds positive to me. Fuck your “world changing” startup idea. That’s

> The San Diego M-F 9-5 lifestyle always was more important than taking over the world. Sounds positive to me. Fuck your “world changing” startup idea. That’s just religion. You want me to work hard, treat me with respect and pay me (in that order). edit: mark my words, there will come a time when you lose a highly valuable employee because you thought it was easier to treat people like a kubernetes configuration.

Bajeezus 3y ago
Its a startup. You will become fantastically rich as a founder/early employee if the startup takes over the world. You don't take over the world working a 9-5. People entering this environment SHOULD know what they're signing up for. Its not like startups are the only jobs out there.
- gamblor956 3y ago
  You will become fantastically rich as a founder/early employee if the startup takes over the world. While this is still generally true for founders, it hasn't been true for early employees in over a decade. VCs decided to capture all of that surplus for themselves.
- jauntywundrkind 3y ago
  I think if we made starting up more accessible & possible, if healthcare & child card & housing weren't a mess, we'd actually see far far far far more positive world changing shit coming. And many tiers of merely good positive economic contributors below that. Startups should be accessible. It's a fault & a problem that so many possibilities have been winnowed away. The glory of 120 hours a week is not the only path.
  - peatmoss 3y ago
    Health insurance coupled to employment is one hell of systematic advantage for large companies when competing for labor. Bigger company = bigger risk pool.
- bsder 3y ago
  There is nothing wrong with being a startup and being solidly profitable, you know? Only VC-backed startups need to "take over the world" because the VCs need their 10x rockstar. A company doing $50 million per year with a handful of employees is going to be way more profitable for everybody than a VC-fueled rocket that has a 99% chance of flaming out. Remember MP3.com? Lots of San Diego tech people still do ... I view the original assessment as "San Diego tech workers understand the reality of their value and can't be taken for a ride by venture capitalists--woe is me." I found that San Diego tech workers generally have higher clue than most geographic areas. The less experienced are very solid workers and learn really quickly. However, they're not 4 year Stanford students with filthy rich parents who can afford to go bankrupt multiple times. They're coming from community colleges and state schools, and they need to earn money. In return, they'll work their ass off for you. In addition, there are quite a few very experienced greybeards scattered in that scene (tech in San Diego goes WAY back--Linkabit spawned a bunch and computers were huge early--Silicon Beach Software and PC Power and Cooling for example). However, they are going to demand appropriate compensation and will not put up with bullshit. I love working with them. Don't like the San Diego tech scene? Your loss--my gain.
  - konradb 3y ago
    Shout out to ComputorEdge magazine :)
    - brianstorms 3y ago
      Used to run ads in 1988-90 in ComputorEdge for my first startup (Coconut Computing; we ran the COCONET online service in San Diego then). Didn't they change their name to ByteBuyer? We used to call them ByteBuyor to pay homage to the original name.
      - konradb 3y ago
        Nice! Yes that final O was a bit idiosyncratic, I forget the reasoning for it. I listed my BBS in their directory. My memory (a little misty) was that they started as ByteBuyer and then renamed to ComputorEdge. At least in 92 they were called ComputorEdge. I did have a stash of them somewhere but haven’t seen them for a long time. Nice to reminisce!
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Bajeezus 3y ago

Its a startup. You will become fantastically rich as a founder/early employee if the startup takes over the world. You don't take over the world working a 9-5. People entering this environment SHOULD know what they're signing up for. Its not like startups are the only jobs out there.

gamblor956 3y ago
You will become fantastically rich as a founder/early employee if the startup takes over the world. While this is still generally true for founders, it hasn't been true for early employees in over a decade. VCs decided to capture all of that surplus for themselves.
jauntywundrkind 3y ago
I think if we made starting up more accessible & possible, if healthcare & child card & housing weren't a mess, we'd actually see far far far far more positive world changing shit coming. And many tiers of merely good positive economic contributors below that. Startups should be accessible. It's a fault & a problem that so many possibilities have been winnowed away. The glory of 120 hours a week is not the only path.
- peatmoss 3y ago
  Health insurance coupled to employment is one hell of systematic advantage for large companies when competing for labor. Bigger company = bigger risk pool.
bsder 3y ago
There is nothing wrong with being a startup and being solidly profitable, you know? Only VC-backed startups need to "take over the world" because the VCs need their 10x rockstar. A company doing $50 million per year with a handful of employees is going to be way more profitable for everybody than a VC-fueled rocket that has a 99% chance of flaming out. Remember MP3.com? Lots of San Diego tech people still do ... I view the original assessment as "San Diego tech workers understand the reality of their value and can't be taken for a ride by venture capitalists--woe is me." I found that San Diego tech workers generally have higher clue than most geographic areas. The less experienced are very solid workers and learn really quickly. However, they're not 4 year Stanford students with filthy rich parents who can afford to go bankrupt multiple times. They're coming from community colleges and state schools, and they need to earn money. In return, they'll work their ass off for you. In addition, there are quite a few very experienced greybeards scattered in that scene (tech in San Diego goes WAY back--Linkabit spawned a bunch and computers were huge early--Silicon Beach Software and PC Power and Cooling for example). However, they are going to demand appropriate compensation and will not put up with bullshit. I love working with them. Don't like the San Diego tech scene? Your loss--my gain.
- konradb 3y ago
  Shout out to ComputorEdge magazine :)
  - brianstorms 3y ago
    Used to run ads in 1988-90 in ComputorEdge for my first startup (Coconut Computing; we ran the COCONET online service in San Diego then). Didn't they change their name to ByteBuyer? We used to call them ByteBuyor to pay homage to the original name.
    - konradb 3y ago
      Nice! Yes that final O was a bit idiosyncratic, I forget the reasoning for it. I listed my BBS in their directory. My memory (a little misty) was that they started as ByteBuyer and then renamed to ComputorEdge. At least in 92 they were called ComputorEdge. I did have a stash of them somewhere but haven’t seen them for a long time. Nice to reminisce!
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