4 ms·

Oh man, Cretto di Burri is amazing: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7874044,12.9707702,444m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7874044,12.9707702,44

Oh man, Cretto di Burri is amazing: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7874044,12.9707702,444m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7874044,12.9707702,444m/data... check some of the photospheres to see how it looks at ground level There's something magical to concrete mega monuments (the Balkans have quite a collection, btw), like massive ruins-that-are-not-quite-ruins.

Aurornis 3y ago
Wow. I thought it was a glitch in the map at first because it’s a grayscale square, but then I looked closer.
Tronno 3y ago
I find it grotesque. It could have been a park, a farm, a forest. It could have been left as an interesting ruin for humans to explore and nature to reclaim. But in the name of some selfish artistic vision, this person built a vast concrete wasteland. Good art triggers strong emotions, I suppose. I feel horror and revulsion.
- zemvpferreira 3y ago
  I mean, you're entitled to your emotional response, but let's not pretend that's an impactful amount of concrete or land. Might as well be outraged about a supermarket. I find it irrelevant myself.
  - Tronno 3y ago
    There's lots I find objectionable about our built environment, but at least it has a purpose. Between butchering an animal for food, vs doing it for fun, this artwork is the latter.
    - zemvpferreira 3y ago
      Fair enough, that's a good analogy. I find both morally equal but that's my own problem of course.
- zoeysmithe 3y ago
  200 people died there, 1000+ were injured, and 100k left homeless. This art is a monument and tombstone. This is perfectly respectful. I think most communities wouldn't build a supermarket or park over a recent human disaster site like this. Its really a memorial, not modern art: "I told him immediately, ‘let’s go see the old town’. It was almost 20 km away and I was just shocked. I almost felt like crying and then this idea came to me: here I could do something… This is what I would do: we compact the ruins — which are a problem for everyone — we reinforce them well, and with concrete, we create an immense white crack as a permanent symbol of what happened here,” Burri described on first seeing the ruins of Gibellina.
  - Tronno 3y ago
    A fair interpretation, but consider the work the artist is known for: https://www.maggioregam.com/artists/42-alberto-burri/biography/ https://www.maggioregam.com/artists/42-alberto-burri/biograp... Did he see the disaster as an opportunity to ply his trade at an even greater scale? Sixteen years after the earthquake, he was asked not to build a memorial, but to help reconstruct the new city. He declined and created this piece instead. Your quote in context: > mayor Ludovico Corrao called upon numerous architects and artists to help with reconstruction efforts. [...] “We went to Gibellina [...] When we finally arrived to visit the place, the new city was nearly complete and full of new pieces. ‘I can’t do anything here,’ I told him immediately, ‘let’s go see the old town’. It was almost 20 km away [...]
    - hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
      > Did he see the disaster as an opportunity to ply his trade at an even greater scale? So what? The artist had a style of art in which he was an expert and known for. I totally get and respect that his art is not your cup of tea, but I don't see any negatives in the fact that he did see the opportunity to build this as a opportunity to "ply his trade" as you put it. Would you rather have him build something in a style he's totally unfamiliar with and bad at?
- jjk166 3y ago
  I, for one, think it's sublime. Art is not a waste of land.
  - hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
    Totally agree. I never previously knew this existed and I think it's not only visually stunning, but an incredibly impactful instantiation of the tragedy it's meant to represent. Most importantly, given that globalization and technology have resulted in a "homogenization" of a lot of art and culture, this piece feels truly unique to me (I also thought it was just a glitch in Google Maps when I first saw it) in a way that's very rare these days.
- more_corn 3y ago
  Horror and revulsion are proper things to feel about a monument to tragedy. Perhaps some additional feelings of solemnity and timelessness would come if you visited.
nntwozz 3y ago
Il Grande Cretto di Gibellina https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTaTK99em6U https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTaTK99em6U Well, not my cup of tea to say the least.
photochemsyn 3y ago
Looks like a concrete cap placed over a toxic waste dump, e.g. Runit Island has one: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Runit_Dome_001.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Runit_Do...
mrtksn 3y ago
>There's something magical to concrete mega monuments Concrete, more specifically brutalism, these buildings tend to be very opinionated. In many of those constructions even tables are made from concrete as part of the building, they enforce a particular function. In one way its magical, it is shaping you because you have no choice but follow the architects vision and that vision is usually some idealised version of the future - an acquired taste. For example, Barbican Centre in London was supposed to be this utopia about living in the future. I'm big fan of it and because it was close to my office I was frequent visitor, however that vision clearly failed. It very divisive style, and the division is %90 hate it, %8 feel unsure about it and the %2 love it but when you count the opinion(an opinion made of strong, large concrete pieces) of the building it easily surpasses the %50 love and the building stays.

Aurornis 3y ago

Wow. I thought it was a glitch in the map at first because it’s a grayscale square, but then I looked closer.

Tronno 3y ago

I find it grotesque. It could have been a park, a farm, a forest. It could have been left as an interesting ruin for humans to explore and nature to reclaim. But in the name of some selfish artistic vision, this person built a vast concrete wasteland. Good art triggers strong emotions, I suppose. I feel horror and revulsion.

zemvpferreira 3y ago
I mean, you're entitled to your emotional response, but let's not pretend that's an impactful amount of concrete or land. Might as well be outraged about a supermarket. I find it irrelevant myself.
- Tronno 3y ago
  There's lots I find objectionable about our built environment, but at least it has a purpose. Between butchering an animal for food, vs doing it for fun, this artwork is the latter.
  - zemvpferreira 3y ago
    Fair enough, that's a good analogy. I find both morally equal but that's my own problem of course.
zoeysmithe 3y ago
200 people died there, 1000+ were injured, and 100k left homeless. This art is a monument and tombstone. This is perfectly respectful. I think most communities wouldn't build a supermarket or park over a recent human disaster site like this. Its really a memorial, not modern art: "I told him immediately, ‘let’s go see the old town’. It was almost 20 km away and I was just shocked. I almost felt like crying and then this idea came to me: here I could do something… This is what I would do: we compact the ruins — which are a problem for everyone — we reinforce them well, and with concrete, we create an immense white crack as a permanent symbol of what happened here,” Burri described on first seeing the ruins of Gibellina.
- Tronno 3y ago
  A fair interpretation, but consider the work the artist is known for: https://www.maggioregam.com/artists/42-alberto-burri/biography/ https://www.maggioregam.com/artists/42-alberto-burri/biograp... Did he see the disaster as an opportunity to ply his trade at an even greater scale? Sixteen years after the earthquake, he was asked not to build a memorial, but to help reconstruct the new city. He declined and created this piece instead. Your quote in context: > mayor Ludovico Corrao called upon numerous architects and artists to help with reconstruction efforts. [...] “We went to Gibellina [...] When we finally arrived to visit the place, the new city was nearly complete and full of new pieces. ‘I can’t do anything here,’ I told him immediately, ‘let’s go see the old town’. It was almost 20 km away [...]
  - hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
    > Did he see the disaster as an opportunity to ply his trade at an even greater scale? So what? The artist had a style of art in which he was an expert and known for. I totally get and respect that his art is not your cup of tea, but I don't see any negatives in the fact that he did see the opportunity to build this as a opportunity to "ply his trade" as you put it. Would you rather have him build something in a style he's totally unfamiliar with and bad at?
jjk166 3y ago
I, for one, think it's sublime. Art is not a waste of land.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  Totally agree. I never previously knew this existed and I think it's not only visually stunning, but an incredibly impactful instantiation of the tragedy it's meant to represent. Most importantly, given that globalization and technology have resulted in a "homogenization" of a lot of art and culture, this piece feels truly unique to me (I also thought it was just a glitch in Google Maps when I first saw it) in a way that's very rare these days.
more_corn 3y ago
Horror and revulsion are proper things to feel about a monument to tragedy. Perhaps some additional feelings of solemnity and timelessness would come if you visited.

nntwozz 3y ago

Il Grande Cretto di Gibellina https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTaTK99em6U https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTaTK99em6U Well, not my cup of tea to say the least.

photochemsyn 3y ago

Looks like a concrete cap placed over a toxic waste dump, e.g. Runit Island has one: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Runit_Dome_001.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Runit_Do...

mrtksn 3y ago

>There's something magical to concrete mega monuments Concrete, more specifically brutalism, these buildings tend to be very opinionated. In many of those constructions even tables are made from concrete as part of the building, they enforce a particular function. In one way its magical, it is shaping you because you have no choice but follow the architects vision and that vision is usually some idealised version of the future - an acquired taste. For example, Barbican Centre in London was supposed to be this utopia about living in the future. I'm big fan of it and because it was close to my office I was frequent visitor, however that vision clearly failed. It very divisive style, and the division is %90 hate it, %8 feel unsure about it and the %2 love it but when you count the opinion(an opinion made of strong, large concrete pieces) of the building it easily surpasses the %50 love and the building stays.