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Quite the cultural flame war in this thread. For me, the whole incident points to the critical importance of open models. A bit of speculation, but if AI is eve

Quite the cultural flame war in this thread. For me, the whole incident points to the critical importance of open models. A bit of speculation, but if AI is eventually intended to play a role in education, this sort of control would be a dream for historical revisionists. The classic battle of the thought police is now being extended to AI.

verisimi 3y ago
No need to distance yourself from historical revisionism. History has always been a tool of the present powers to control the future direction. It is just licensed interpretation. No one has the truth, neither the historical revisionists not the licensed historians.
- aliasxneo 3y ago
  That's not a fair representation of people who have spent their lives preserving historical truth. I'm good friends with an individual in Serbia whose family has been at the forefront of preserving their people's history despite the opposition groups bent on destroying it (the family subsequently received honors for their work). Inferring they are no better than revisionists seems silly.
- khaki54 3y ago
  No such thing as historical revisionism. The truth is that the good guys won every time. /s
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > No one has the truth, neither the historical revisionists not the licensed historians This is a common claim by those who never look. It’s one thing to accept you aren’t bothered to find the truth in a specific instance. And it’s correct to admit some things are unknowable. But to preach broad ignorance like this is intellectually insincere.
kys_now 3y ago
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andy_xor_andrew 3y ago
> Quite the cultural flame war in this thread. It's kind of the perfect storm, because both sides of the argument include a mixture of reasonable well-intentioned people, and crazy extremists. However you choose to be upset about this, you always have someone crazy to point at.
- Intralexical 3y ago
  > However you choose to be upset about this, you always have someone crazy to point at. Scary! I hope nobody finds a way to exploit this dynamic for profit.
  - wakawaka28 3y ago
    Why do you think the elites love this woke shit? Because it divides people.
    - scada_slayer 3y ago
      More than just the elites. The extreme division between all Americans from any group - political, racial, religious etc. - is all part of a large, ongoing cyberwarfare attack from Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency I'm sure other nations are involved, Russia has just done the most recorded damage so far. The entire point of red vs blue, black vs white, rich vs poor rhetoric is to divide and conquer the American people.
      - wakawaka28 3y ago
        There are possibly many entities with interests in destabilizing the US. The US does the same to other countries. I'm not talking about cyberattacks and the Russiagate hoax invented by the mainstream media in collusion with Hillary Clinton. I'm talking about the words and actions of the most powerful people in the world who are on all the big corporate boards and have the backing of every big media outlet. The Russiagate hoax deserves a thread of its own.
      - 3y ago
MagicMoonlight 3y ago
It’s absolutely genius. The model will insist that Columbus was black no matter what. And tomorrow he will be Chinese and there’s no contradiction there. Are you feeling okay? Would you like me to make a referral to a partner organisation for you? We care here at google.

verisimi 3y ago

No need to distance yourself from historical revisionism. History has always been a tool of the present powers to control the future direction. It is just licensed interpretation. No one has the truth, neither the historical revisionists not the licensed historians.

aliasxneo 3y ago
That's not a fair representation of people who have spent their lives preserving historical truth. I'm good friends with an individual in Serbia whose family has been at the forefront of preserving their people's history despite the opposition groups bent on destroying it (the family subsequently received honors for their work). Inferring they are no better than revisionists seems silly.
khaki54 3y ago
No such thing as historical revisionism. The truth is that the good guys won every time. /s
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> No one has the truth, neither the historical revisionists not the licensed historians This is a common claim by those who never look. It’s one thing to accept you aren’t bothered to find the truth in a specific instance. And it’s correct to admit some things are unknowable. But to preach broad ignorance like this is intellectually insincere.

kys_now 3y ago

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andy_xor_andrew 3y ago

> Quite the cultural flame war in this thread. It's kind of the perfect storm, because both sides of the argument include a mixture of reasonable well-intentioned people, and crazy extremists. However you choose to be upset about this, you always have someone crazy to point at.

Intralexical 3y ago
> However you choose to be upset about this, you always have someone crazy to point at. Scary! I hope nobody finds a way to exploit this dynamic for profit.
- wakawaka28 3y ago
  Why do you think the elites love this woke shit? Because it divides people.
  - scada_slayer 3y ago
    More than just the elites. The extreme division between all Americans from any group - political, racial, religious etc. - is all part of a large, ongoing cyberwarfare attack from Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency I'm sure other nations are involved, Russia has just done the most recorded damage so far. The entire point of red vs blue, black vs white, rich vs poor rhetoric is to divide and conquer the American people.
    - wakawaka28 3y ago
      There are possibly many entities with interests in destabilizing the US. The US does the same to other countries. I'm not talking about cyberattacks and the Russiagate hoax invented by the mainstream media in collusion with Hillary Clinton. I'm talking about the words and actions of the most powerful people in the world who are on all the big corporate boards and have the backing of every big media outlet. The Russiagate hoax deserves a thread of its own.
    - 3y ago

MagicMoonlight 3y ago

It’s absolutely genius. The model will insist that Columbus was black no matter what. And tomorrow he will be Chinese and there’s no contradiction there. Are you feeling okay? Would you like me to make a referral to a partner organisation for you? We care here at google.