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That's nice, but could we please have an unsafe alternative? I would like to footgun both my legs off, thank you.

by btbuildem 3y ago

dougmwne 3y ago
Since these are open models, people can fine tune them to do anything.
- politician 3y ago
  It’s not obvious that fine-tuning can remove all latent compulsions from these models. Consider that the creators know that fine-tuning exists and have vastly more resources to explore the feasibility of removing deep bias using this method.
  - dougmwne 3y ago
    Go check out the Unstable Diffusion Discord.
    - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
      The vast majority of images there are SD1.5, even the ones made today. Which goes far more towards the idea that safety isn’t a desirable feature to a lot of AI users.
- ttul 3y ago
  I suppose you could train a model from scratch if you have enough money to blow…
Sharlin 3y ago
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- btbuildem 3y ago
  Consider the impact of the two scenarios below: 1. A mass-distributed LLM (hosted by google or openai or whoever) that's been neutered and twisted into political correctness in a haphazard series of kneejerk meetings of small groups of people who are terrified big investors will walk away or that some powerful political group will denounce them. Effectively they create an enormous bias of falsity and incorrectness, for billons of people to use and embed the results throughout all their intellectual output. 2. Some wacko with an expensive Nvidia GPU makes deepfake porn of a popular politician. Or goodness forbid, of some weird kink where if this was actually a scene filmed with real people, there would be serious ethical issues. Which scenario do you think is more dangerous, long term, and in terms of broad impact on society in general?
  - spencerflem 3y ago
    I think you are seeing things from a bubble. Most people in the country are in favor of efforts to correct for historical injustices and are worried about AIs repeating biases in their training that could have a material impact on the world. Case in point: large advertisers and entertainment companies "pander" to these sorts of views, because it is broadly popular This is not the work of a shadowy cabal
    - shapefrog 3y ago
      I think you are seeing things from a bubble. Most people in the country dont give a shit about historical injustices and are worried about how they are going to pay their rent or put food on the table today.
      - spencerflem 3y ago
        A lot of people have the capacity for both I gave some evidence that being socially progressive / "woke" is broadly popular. Advertisers are not activists, they're following what people like
    - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
wokwokwok 3y ago
How would that be meaningfully different to SDXL? I mean, SDXL is great. Until you’ve had a chance to actually use this model, isn’t calling it out for some imagined offence that may or may not exist seems like you’re drinking some Kool-aid rather than responding to something based in concrete actual reality. You get access to it… and it does the google thing and puts people of colour in every frame? Sure, complain away. You get access to it, you can’t even generate pictures of girls? Sure. Burn the house down. …you haven’t even seen it and you’re already bitching about it? Come on… give them a chance. Judge what it is when you see it not what you imagine it is before you’ve even had a chance to try it out… Lots of models, free, multiple sizes, hot damn. This is cool stuff. Be a bit grateful for the work they’re doing. …and even if sucks, it’s open. If it’s not what you want, you can retune it.
viraptor 3y ago
Just wait some time. People release SD loras all the time. Once SD3 is open, you'll be able to get a patched model in days/weeks.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  A blogger I follow had an article explaining that the NSFW models for SDXL, are just now SORT OF coming up to the quality of SD1.5 “pre safety” models. It’s been 6 months and it still isn’t there. SD3 is going to be quite awhile if they’re baking “safety” in even harder.
  - viraptor 3y ago
    1.5 is still more popular than xl and 2 for reasons unrelated to safety. The size and generation speed matter a lot. This is just a matter of practical usability, not some idea of the model being locked down. Feed it enough porn and you'll get porn out of it. If people have incentive to do that (better results than 1.5), it really will happen within days.
  - Der_Einzige 3y ago
    Due to the pony community the SDXL nsfw models are far superior to SD1.5. Only issue is that controlnets don’t work with that pony SDXL fine tune
    - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
      I am slightly aware of the pony models. I wish I had something more clever to comment on it. I know what they’re doing which is cool and why which is, IDK, live and let live and enjoy your own kink. It just a little funny some of the most work put into in the fine tuning models.. is from the pony community. So all I have is… :/
      - int_19h 3y ago
        It's not just them. For example, 4chan is a surprisingly good way to get the most recent scoop on good models (both text and images), setup guides etc - if you can tolerate the inevitable, well, 4chan-ness of it. And the reason is exactly the same: a lot of people there really, really, really, want to generate porn and to chat with sexbots, and they're putting a lot of effort into getting the best (and least censored) results out of the resources that they have.
Fervicus 3y ago
Nope, sorry. We can't allow you to commit thought crimes.

That's nice, but could we please have an unsafe alternative? I would like to footgun both my legs off, thank you.

dougmwne 3y ago

Since these are open models, people can fine tune them to do anything.

politician 3y ago
It’s not obvious that fine-tuning can remove all latent compulsions from these models. Consider that the creators know that fine-tuning exists and have vastly more resources to explore the feasibility of removing deep bias using this method.
- dougmwne 3y ago
  Go check out the Unstable Diffusion Discord.
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
    The vast majority of images there are SD1.5, even the ones made today. Which goes far more towards the idea that safety isn’t a desirable feature to a lot of AI users.
ttul 3y ago
I suppose you could train a model from scratch if you have enough money to blow…

Sharlin 3y ago

[flagged]

btbuildem 3y ago
Consider the impact of the two scenarios below: 1. A mass-distributed LLM (hosted by google or openai or whoever) that's been neutered and twisted into political correctness in a haphazard series of kneejerk meetings of small groups of people who are terrified big investors will walk away or that some powerful political group will denounce them. Effectively they create an enormous bias of falsity and incorrectness, for billons of people to use and embed the results throughout all their intellectual output. 2. Some wacko with an expensive Nvidia GPU makes deepfake porn of a popular politician. Or goodness forbid, of some weird kink where if this was actually a scene filmed with real people, there would be serious ethical issues. Which scenario do you think is more dangerous, long term, and in terms of broad impact on society in general?
- spencerflem 3y ago
  I think you are seeing things from a bubble. Most people in the country are in favor of efforts to correct for historical injustices and are worried about AIs repeating biases in their training that could have a material impact on the world. Case in point: large advertisers and entertainment companies "pander" to these sorts of views, because it is broadly popular This is not the work of a shadowy cabal
  - shapefrog 3y ago
    I think you are seeing things from a bubble. Most people in the country dont give a shit about historical injustices and are worried about how they are going to pay their rent or put food on the table today.
    - spencerflem 3y ago
      A lot of people have the capacity for both I gave some evidence that being socially progressive / "woke" is broadly popular. Advertisers are not activists, they're following what people like
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

wokwokwok 3y ago

How would that be meaningfully different to SDXL? I mean, SDXL is great. Until you’ve had a chance to actually use this model, isn’t calling it out for some imagined offence that may or may not exist seems like you’re drinking some Kool-aid rather than responding to something based in concrete actual reality. You get access to it… and it does the google thing and puts people of colour in every frame? Sure, complain away. You get access to it, you can’t even generate pictures of girls? Sure. Burn the house down. …you haven’t even seen it and you’re already bitching about it? Come on… give them a chance. Judge what it is when you see it not what you imagine it is before you’ve even had a chance to try it out… Lots of models, free, multiple sizes, hot damn. This is cool stuff. Be a bit grateful for the work they’re doing. …and even if sucks, it’s open. If it’s not what you want, you can retune it.

viraptor 3y ago

Just wait some time. People release SD loras all the time. Once SD3 is open, you'll be able to get a patched model in days/weeks.

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
A blogger I follow had an article explaining that the NSFW models for SDXL, are just now SORT OF coming up to the quality of SD1.5 “pre safety” models. It’s been 6 months and it still isn’t there. SD3 is going to be quite awhile if they’re baking “safety” in even harder.
- viraptor 3y ago
  1.5 is still more popular than xl and 2 for reasons unrelated to safety. The size and generation speed matter a lot. This is just a matter of practical usability, not some idea of the model being locked down. Feed it enough porn and you'll get porn out of it. If people have incentive to do that (better results than 1.5), it really will happen within days.
- Der_Einzige 3y ago
  Due to the pony community the SDXL nsfw models are far superior to SD1.5. Only issue is that controlnets don’t work with that pony SDXL fine tune
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
    I am slightly aware of the pony models. I wish I had something more clever to comment on it. I know what they’re doing which is cool and why which is, IDK, live and let live and enjoy your own kink. It just a little funny some of the most work put into in the fine tuning models.. is from the pony community. So all I have is… :/
    - int_19h 3y ago
      It's not just them. For example, 4chan is a surprisingly good way to get the most recent scoop on good models (both text and images), setup guides etc - if you can tolerate the inevitable, well, 4chan-ness of it. And the reason is exactly the same: a lot of people there really, really, really, want to generate porn and to chat with sexbots, and they're putting a lot of effort into getting the best (and least censored) results out of the resources that they have.

Fervicus 3y ago

Nope, sorry. We can't allow you to commit thought crimes.