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There's definitely human intervention in the model. Gemini is not true AI, it has too much human intervention in its results.

bathtub365 3y ago
What’s the definition of “true AI”? Surely all AI has human intervention in its results since it was trained on things made by humans.
tourmalinetaco 3y ago
None of it is “true” AI, because none of this is intelligent. It’s simply all autocomplete/random pixel generation that’s been told “complete x to y words”. I agree though, Gemini (and even ChatGPT) are both rather weak compared to what they could be if the “guard”rails were not so disruptive to the output.
bmoxb 3y ago
You're speaking as if LLMs are some naturally occurring phenomena that people are Google have tampered with. There's obviously always human intervention as AI systems are built by humans.
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- megous 3y ago
  It's pretty clear to me what the commenter means even if they don't use the words you like/expect. The model is built by machine from a massive set of data. Humans at Google may not like the output of a particular model due to their particular sensibilities, so they try to "tune it" and "filter both input/output" to limit of what others can do with the model to Google's sensibilities. Google stated as much in their announcement recently. Their whole announcement was filled with words like "responsibility", "safety", etc., alluding to a lot of censorship going on.
  - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
    Censorship of what? You object to Google applying its own bias (toward avoiding offensive outcomes) but you're fine with the biases inherent to the dataset. There is nothing the slightest bit objective about anything that goes into an LLM. Any product from any corporation is going to be built with its own interests in mind. That you see this through a political lens ("censorship") only reveals your own bias.
    - megous 3y ago
      I have not said anything about objectivity. Eg. "political sensibility" filter at the output of the model only reveals bias on the Google side. (They're not hiding it really) I don't have any bias in what I'm saying. It's just facts and nothing more - simply stating there's a filter and it reflects Google's sensibilities. About as controversial as stating that Facebook doesn't like nipples, or whatever.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
  Nonsense, I picked my LLM ripe off the vine today, covered in the morning dew. It was delicious.
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bathtub365 3y ago

What’s the definition of “true AI”? Surely all AI has human intervention in its results since it was trained on things made by humans.

tourmalinetaco 3y ago

None of it is “true” AI, because none of this is intelligent. It’s simply all autocomplete/random pixel generation that’s been told “complete x to y words”. I agree though, Gemini (and even ChatGPT) are both rather weak compared to what they could be if the “guard”rails were not so disruptive to the output.

bmoxb 3y ago

You're speaking as if LLMs are some naturally occurring phenomena that people are Google have tampered with. There's obviously always human intervention as AI systems are built by humans.

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megous 3y ago
It's pretty clear to me what the commenter means even if they don't use the words you like/expect. The model is built by machine from a massive set of data. Humans at Google may not like the output of a particular model due to their particular sensibilities, so they try to "tune it" and "filter both input/output" to limit of what others can do with the model to Google's sensibilities. Google stated as much in their announcement recently. Their whole announcement was filled with words like "responsibility", "safety", etc., alluding to a lot of censorship going on.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
  Censorship of what? You object to Google applying its own bias (toward avoiding offensive outcomes) but you're fine with the biases inherent to the dataset. There is nothing the slightest bit objective about anything that goes into an LLM. Any product from any corporation is going to be built with its own interests in mind. That you see this through a political lens ("censorship") only reveals your own bias.
  - megous 3y ago
    I have not said anything about objectivity. Eg. "political sensibility" filter at the output of the model only reveals bias on the Google side. (They're not hiding it really) I don't have any bias in what I'm saying. It's just facts and nothing more - simply stating there's a filter and it reflects Google's sensibilities. About as controversial as stating that Facebook doesn't like nipples, or whatever.
dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
Nonsense, I picked my LLM ripe off the vine today, covered in the morning dew. It was delicious.
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