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Do you have sources for these events? I’d like to read them. Thanks!

Terretta 3y ago
People often use “do you have sources, I'd like to read them” to imply “links, or that didn't happen”. However, sources* for all of the above are easily found, both coverage as the story is breaking and followups. For example: news campus students chant kill jews classroom locked door https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-colleges-jewish-students-seen-locked-inside-library-anti-israel-protest-moves-building https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-colleges-jewish-students-seen... https://www.foxnews.com/media/chants-calling-murder-jews-shouted-me-cooper-union-protest-student-recalls https://www.foxnews.com/media/chants-calling-murder-jews-sho... https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-stresses-cooper-union-students-were-not-barricaded-inside-library-during-pro-palestinian-rally/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-stresses-cooper-un... Or ... news fbi memo catholic extremists https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-internal-memo-warns-against-221426557.html https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-internal-memo-warns-against-22142... https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-report-details-extent-fbis-weaponization-law-enforcement-against https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-report-... https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=57648 https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?sto... The ease with which links surface suggests if one genuinely wanted to read sources, one could Google with no effort. * NOTE: Media made broad claims on all of these, and media made narrow “corrections”. It's easy enough to find both types of sources. Asking someone for sources doesn't prove anything. On controversial topics one really needs to “do your own research.”
- AirborneUnicorn 3y ago
  > People often use “do you have sources, I'd like to read them” to imply “links, or that didn't happen”. Oh, I just hadn't heard of these things. Thanks for the links! Edit --- However, I am now confused by the latter portion of your response > Asking someone for sources doesn't prove anything. I wasn't trying to prove anything, nor did I make any claims. I only wanted to be aware of current events. It does seem to me quite backward to place the burden of proof not on the party making claims, but someone asking to understand why that party made those claims.
  - Izkata 3y ago
    I can understand not hearing of some of them, but it's kinda weird to not have heard of any of them. The next to last one for example was the George Floyd riots in summer 2020.
    - AirborneUnicorn 3y ago
      I agree, though I assumed (shame on me) these were in reference to events more current than 4 years ago. But, I’m not always completely in touch with US news or politics either.
      - db48x 3y ago
        It’s a problem that has been growing for well over a decade.
        Izkata 3y ago
        Yeah, I first saw it in the mid 2010s, then a short time later when I first watched LEXX, the episode "Girltown" surprised me by mocking some of the things I thought were new - but it aired in 2000.
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mckern 3y ago
For the race-essentialist practices described by the original poster, Yascha Mounk's "The Identity Trap," published in 2023, and interviews with Coleman Hughes regarding his college experience at Columbia are insightful resources. To delve into the philosophical roots that lead to the type of absurd reasoning mentioned by the original poster, "Cynical Theories" by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay, released in 2020, is recommended. Despite Lindsay's more recent radical stance, the book provides a critical exploration of these theories. It is also heavy on citations. For the kind of misconduct in higher education described by the original poster, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) or the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) serve as reliable references. There's no lack of explicit anti-semitism on campus. The discussion around "woke" culture is often muddled by attempts to obscure its existence, framing it as merely an extreme right-wing concern. For those who genuinely want a quick way to challenge their priors regarding "woke" being some kind of "right-wing" thing, you should give this short piece[0] a read. Does it comport with your notion of "right-wing"? If not, you should start questioning those who use "right-wing" as a boogeymen to convince you that there isn't a radical ideology who've created newspeak for their brand of racism, sexism, whatever-ism. [0] https://helenpluckrose.substack.com/p/defining-woke-and-wokeness https://helenpluckrose.substack.com/p/defining-woke-and-woke...
- AirborneUnicorn 3y ago
  This is an interesting article, thanks for sharing! Nuanced perspectives like these are useful.
bnralt 3y ago
I thought that a Yale speaker giving a public talk disparaging white people where they say they fantasize about shooting white people in the head was pretty extreme[1]. Even more so since it didn’t seem to bother the attendees there, and there was no push back until someone leaked the audio a few months later. If the audio hadn’t leaked, it seems like Yale and the attendees would have just considered that a normal lecture. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/yale-says-lecture-fantasy-about-shooting-white-people-antithetical-school-n1269884 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/yale-says-lecture-fanta...
- AirborneUnicorn 3y ago
  Certainly extreme, how bizarre

People often use “do you have sources, I'd like to read them” to imply “links, or that didn't happen”. However, sources* for all of the above are easily found, both coverage as the story is breaking and followups. For example: news campus students chant kill jews classroom locked door https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-colleges-jewish-students-seen-locked-inside-library-anti-israel-protest-moves-building https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-colleges-jewish-students-seen... https://www.foxnews.com/media/chants-calling-murder-jews-shouted-me-cooper-union-protest-student-recalls https://www.foxnews.com/media/chants-calling-murder-jews-sho... https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-stresses-cooper-union-students-were-not-barricaded-inside-library-during-pro-palestinian-rally/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-stresses-cooper-un... Or ... news fbi memo catholic extremists https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-internal-memo-warns-against-221426557.html https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-internal-memo-warns-against-22142... https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-report-details-extent-fbis-weaponization-law-enforcement-against https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-report-... https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=57648 https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?sto... The ease with which links surface suggests if one genuinely wanted to read sources, one could Google with no effort. * NOTE: Media made broad claims on all of these, and media made narrow “corrections”. It's easy enough to find both types of sources. Asking someone for sources doesn't prove anything. On controversial topics one really needs to “do your own research.”

AirborneUnicorn 3y ago
> People often use “do you have sources, I'd like to read them” to imply “links, or that didn't happen”. Oh, I just hadn't heard of these things. Thanks for the links! Edit --- However, I am now confused by the latter portion of your response > Asking someone for sources doesn't prove anything. I wasn't trying to prove anything, nor did I make any claims. I only wanted to be aware of current events. It does seem to me quite backward to place the burden of proof not on the party making claims, but someone asking to understand why that party made those claims.
- Izkata 3y ago
  I can understand not hearing of some of them, but it's kinda weird to not have heard of any of them. The next to last one for example was the George Floyd riots in summer 2020.
  - AirborneUnicorn 3y ago
    I agree, though I assumed (shame on me) these were in reference to events more current than 4 years ago. But, I’m not always completely in touch with US news or politics either.
    - db48x 3y ago
      It’s a problem that has been growing for well over a decade.
      - Izkata 3y ago
        Yeah, I first saw it in the mid 2010s, then a short time later when I first watched LEXX, the episode "Girltown" surprised me by mocking some of the things I thought were new - but it aired in 2000.

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mckern 3y ago

For the race-essentialist practices described by the original poster, Yascha Mounk's "The Identity Trap," published in 2023, and interviews with Coleman Hughes regarding his college experience at Columbia are insightful resources. To delve into the philosophical roots that lead to the type of absurd reasoning mentioned by the original poster, "Cynical Theories" by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay, released in 2020, is recommended. Despite Lindsay's more recent radical stance, the book provides a critical exploration of these theories. It is also heavy on citations. For the kind of misconduct in higher education described by the original poster, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) or the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) serve as reliable references. There's no lack of explicit anti-semitism on campus. The discussion around "woke" culture is often muddled by attempts to obscure its existence, framing it as merely an extreme right-wing concern. For those who genuinely want a quick way to challenge their priors regarding "woke" being some kind of "right-wing" thing, you should give this short piece[0] a read. Does it comport with your notion of "right-wing"? If not, you should start questioning those who use "right-wing" as a boogeymen to convince you that there isn't a radical ideology who've created newspeak for their brand of racism, sexism, whatever-ism. [0] https://helenpluckrose.substack.com/p/defining-woke-and-wokeness https://helenpluckrose.substack.com/p/defining-woke-and-woke...

AirborneUnicorn 3y ago
This is an interesting article, thanks for sharing! Nuanced perspectives like these are useful.

bnralt 3y ago

I thought that a Yale speaker giving a public talk disparaging white people where they say they fantasize about shooting white people in the head was pretty extreme[1]. Even more so since it didn’t seem to bother the attendees there, and there was no push back until someone leaked the audio a few months later. If the audio hadn’t leaked, it seems like Yale and the attendees would have just considered that a normal lecture. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/yale-says-lecture-fantasy-about-shooting-white-people-antithetical-school-n1269884 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/yale-says-lecture-fanta...

AirborneUnicorn 3y ago
Certainly extreme, how bizarre