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I won’t pay for YouTube as long as they keep trying to make Shorts happen. It’s everything I dislike about the Internet in one feature. Edit: Why would this ge

I won’t pay for YouTube as long as they keep trying to make Shorts happen. It’s everything I dislike about the Internet in one feature. Edit: Why would this get downvoted? Do people really find value in shorts?

spiderice 3y ago
> Do people really find value in shorts? Yes. Obviously. This is an absurd question.
- meheleventyone 3y ago
  I think it probably isn’t depending on what you think value means. At a surface level people watch them ergo it has value. But peer deeper and it seems fair to think about whether that’s a good or bad thing and so on.
- hpaavola 3y ago
  Depending what value means... I think that shorts do not bring any value, just mindless filler. In my books that has no value. Some might disagree.
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    I’ve learnt about a lot of things through shorts. It’s not just crap
    - lynx23 3y ago
      Mind naming some positive examples? All I get is right-wing political propaganda and "Whatever"-podcast antimodernwomen crap. I would pay to get rid of this blatant negativity.
      - chgs 3y ago
        https://youtube.com/shorts/5QUqxmqBOQI?si=Fep5LxAr6Boe6pBn https://youtube.com/shorts/5QUqxmqBOQI?si=Fep5LxAr6Boe6pBn https://youtube.com/shorts/RxZ77kjmnU8?si=uCNLl3nZCIbLHjk6 https://youtube.com/shorts/RxZ77kjmnU8?si=uCNLl3nZCIbLHjk6 https://youtube.com/shorts/0ja1E-OwrVI?si=WNsEVV_yyS-F3khY https://youtube.com/shorts/0ja1E-OwrVI?si=WNsEVV_yyS-F3khY https://youtube.com/shorts/FAZpx1EucQw?si=FKQiESLTuhfANGL1 https://youtube.com/shorts/FAZpx1EucQw?si=FKQiESLTuhfANGL1 https://youtube.com/shorts/3iotlZfJjH0?si=x3ND5rVR54LbieN9 https://youtube.com/shorts/3iotlZfJjH0?si=x3ND5rVR54LbieN9 Those where in the first 10 shorts I got This is pretty far shy but it’s just fun https://youtube.com/shorts/j7SByXWWVzU?si=7Et5jRKpEbV93Sia https://youtube.com/shorts/j7SByXWWVzU?si=7Et5jRKpEbV93Sia Had a couple of clips from start trek which came up too.
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  - chgs 3y ago
    Obviously people find value in mindless filler - look at junk food, or reality tv Some people find value in watching other people watch tv, or watch other people play games.
- pkamb 3y ago
  People find value in TikTok, obviously, and Google wants part of that pie and is willing to degrade all of our YouTube experience in order to chase it. But very unclear if anyone finds value in Shorts.
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    My shorts feed is far higher quality than my tiktok feed right now. I definitely find value in it
judge2020 3y ago
TikTok has a clunky Web UI (there was an experiment they accidentally rolled out for a day in 2022 to make it much better, but it was rolled back and never seen again). YT Shorts work fairly well. It also supposedly pays out to creators better than TikTok. Although I have to use `document.querySelectorAll('video').forEach(e => e.playbackRate = 2);` in my console for either service since they don't have native playback speed control on the web.
- jondwillis 3y ago
  There are extensions that can do that if you get tired of it (Stop The Madness has an option to restore native video controls which includes playback speed control)
ssl-3 3y ago
I'm not one of them, and clearly you're not one of them, but: Yes, some people do find value in things like YouTube Shorts. And these people are real people. (But complaining about downvotes is a sure-fire way to get downvotes -- even as far back as Slashdot, where such a complaint could only be levied pre-emptively or as a reply to oneself.)
- scarab92 3y ago
  I find shorts quite helpful if you’re intentionally looking for a quick explainer. There are unfortunately lot of how to videos on YouTube that are 10 seconds of content in 13 minutes of filler. The trick is just to never scroll through shorts, but instead navigate back to search afterwards.
  - ssl-3 3y ago
    Perhaps I use YouTube differently: If I am using YouTube for learning, then: My bullshit meter trips very quickly when I detect needless filler, and then I go find another video to watch (or, ideally, a writeup instead of a video -- away from YouTube). Shorts never enter the equation. And if I am using YouTube for entertainment, then: I want more entertainment than a YouTube Short typically provides.
theshackleford 3y ago
It's tough for everyone when they find out they aint the main character.
tracker1 3y ago
Mostly use it on Android TV... Almost never see shorts as a suggestion. They're there, but I don't really use them or notice much.

spiderice 3y ago

> Do people really find value in shorts? Yes. Obviously. This is an absurd question.

meheleventyone 3y ago
I think it probably isn’t depending on what you think value means. At a surface level people watch them ergo it has value. But peer deeper and it seems fair to think about whether that’s a good or bad thing and so on.
hpaavola 3y ago
Depending what value means... I think that shorts do not bring any value, just mindless filler. In my books that has no value. Some might disagree.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  I’ve learnt about a lot of things through shorts. It’s not just crap
  - lynx23 3y ago
    Mind naming some positive examples? All I get is right-wing political propaganda and "Whatever"-podcast antimodernwomen crap. I would pay to get rid of this blatant negativity.
    - chgs 3y ago
      https://youtube.com/shorts/5QUqxmqBOQI?si=Fep5LxAr6Boe6pBn https://youtube.com/shorts/5QUqxmqBOQI?si=Fep5LxAr6Boe6pBn https://youtube.com/shorts/RxZ77kjmnU8?si=uCNLl3nZCIbLHjk6 https://youtube.com/shorts/RxZ77kjmnU8?si=uCNLl3nZCIbLHjk6 https://youtube.com/shorts/0ja1E-OwrVI?si=WNsEVV_yyS-F3khY https://youtube.com/shorts/0ja1E-OwrVI?si=WNsEVV_yyS-F3khY https://youtube.com/shorts/FAZpx1EucQw?si=FKQiESLTuhfANGL1 https://youtube.com/shorts/FAZpx1EucQw?si=FKQiESLTuhfANGL1 https://youtube.com/shorts/3iotlZfJjH0?si=x3ND5rVR54LbieN9 https://youtube.com/shorts/3iotlZfJjH0?si=x3ND5rVR54LbieN9 Those where in the first 10 shorts I got This is pretty far shy but it’s just fun https://youtube.com/shorts/j7SByXWWVzU?si=7Et5jRKpEbV93Sia https://youtube.com/shorts/j7SByXWWVzU?si=7Et5jRKpEbV93Sia Had a couple of clips from start trek which came up too.
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- chgs 3y ago
  Obviously people find value in mindless filler - look at junk food, or reality tv Some people find value in watching other people watch tv, or watch other people play games.
pkamb 3y ago
People find value in TikTok, obviously, and Google wants part of that pie and is willing to degrade all of our YouTube experience in order to chase it. But very unclear if anyone finds value in Shorts.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  My shorts feed is far higher quality than my tiktok feed right now. I definitely find value in it

judge2020 3y ago

TikTok has a clunky Web UI (there was an experiment they accidentally rolled out for a day in 2022 to make it much better, but it was rolled back and never seen again). YT Shorts work fairly well. It also supposedly pays out to creators better than TikTok. Although I have to use `document.querySelectorAll('video').forEach(e => e.playbackRate = 2);` in my console for either service since they don't have native playback speed control on the web.

jondwillis 3y ago
There are extensions that can do that if you get tired of it (Stop The Madness has an option to restore native video controls which includes playback speed control)

ssl-3 3y ago

I'm not one of them, and clearly you're not one of them, but: Yes, some people do find value in things like YouTube Shorts. And these people are real people. (But complaining about downvotes is a sure-fire way to get downvotes -- even as far back as Slashdot, where such a complaint could only be levied pre-emptively or as a reply to oneself.)

scarab92 3y ago
I find shorts quite helpful if you’re intentionally looking for a quick explainer. There are unfortunately lot of how to videos on YouTube that are 10 seconds of content in 13 minutes of filler. The trick is just to never scroll through shorts, but instead navigate back to search afterwards.
- ssl-3 3y ago
  Perhaps I use YouTube differently: If I am using YouTube for learning, then: My bullshit meter trips very quickly when I detect needless filler, and then I go find another video to watch (or, ideally, a writeup instead of a video -- away from YouTube). Shorts never enter the equation. And if I am using YouTube for entertainment, then: I want more entertainment than a YouTube Short typically provides.

theshackleford 3y ago

It's tough for everyone when they find out they aint the main character.

tracker1 3y ago

Mostly use it on Android TV... Almost never see shorts as a suggestion. They're there, but I don't really use them or notice much.