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Is it victory or failure when we pave over the troublesome parts of history so completely that future generations wonder what we were all worked up about?

by ethbr1 3y ago

Spivak 3y ago
This one is more ignorance than malice. They're trying to make the AI not assume conventionally attractive white people for almost all image requests involving people and historical images are getting caught in the crossfire.
- remarkEon 3y ago
  No one knows that for certain, but I personally find it very hard to believe that all these super smart people released a model this bad and this wrong on accident. Google employees that worked on this may genuinely believe that this is the right way to build an AI model, where it intentionally obfuscates history and lies to you. That's actually a perspective that one can have on how to build these tools, I think. Maybe we don't want the AI to reflect reality because reality doesn't live up to certain expectations. But at the end of the day that's a reflection of the creators' own biases.
  - Spivak 3y ago
    > that all these super smart people released a model this bad The model isn't bad, that's not how this race compensation works, at least all the implementations I've seen. They do it by rewriting the prompt behind the scenes. DALL-E 3 currently does it this way; they even tell you the final prompt in the response. Google isn't the first company that makes an image generator to make this exact mistake by lazily inserting races into people's prompts.
    - remarkEon 3y ago
      I don't follow. You say the model isn't bad, and then proceed to list ways in which it is, in fact, bad. Which is it?
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duringmath 3y ago
That's a bit overdramatic, no one expects these things to be accurate let alone be history teaching tools. People are just overreacting over a silly toy.
- zmgsabst 3y ago
  People are rightly making fun of Google for their racism.
  - typeofhuman 3y ago
    A lot of people are missing the fact that white people are a minority group.
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Is it victory or failure when we pave over the troublesome parts of history so completely that future generations wonder what we were all worked up about?

by ethbr1 3y ago

Is it victory or failure when we pave over the troublesome parts of history so completely that future generations wonder what we were all worked up about?

Spivak 3y ago

This one is more ignorance than malice. They're trying to make the AI not assume conventionally attractive white people for almost all image requests involving people and historical images are getting caught in the crossfire.

remarkEon 3y ago
No one knows that for certain, but I personally find it very hard to believe that all these super smart people released a model this bad and this wrong on accident. Google employees that worked on this may genuinely believe that this is the right way to build an AI model, where it intentionally obfuscates history and lies to you. That's actually a perspective that one can have on how to build these tools, I think. Maybe we don't want the AI to reflect reality because reality doesn't live up to certain expectations. But at the end of the day that's a reflection of the creators' own biases.
- Spivak 3y ago
  > that all these super smart people released a model this bad The model isn't bad, that's not how this race compensation works, at least all the implementations I've seen. They do it by rewriting the prompt behind the scenes. DALL-E 3 currently does it this way; they even tell you the final prompt in the response. Google isn't the first company that makes an image generator to make this exact mistake by lazily inserting races into people's prompts.
  - remarkEon 3y ago
    I don't follow. You say the model isn't bad, and then proceed to list ways in which it is, in fact, bad. Which is it?
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duringmath 3y ago

That's a bit overdramatic, no one expects these things to be accurate let alone be history teaching tools. People are just overreacting over a silly toy.

zmgsabst 3y ago
People are rightly making fun of Google for their racism.
- typeofhuman 3y ago
  A lot of people are missing the fact that white people are a minority group.
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