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When 99.9%+ of all jobs worth having will be 5 day work weeks it's irrelevant. Then you have how utter garbage the job market is right now and that's a bad time

When 99.9%+ of all jobs worth having will be 5 day work weeks it's irrelevant. Then you have how utter garbage the job market is right now and that's a bad time waiting to happen. People really need to get over their bootstraps fantasy and start realizing the problem is systemic.

grecy 3y ago
I know many people working in tech who work 3 or 4 days a week. My last programming job nearly 10 years ago I was working 4 days a week, and at my job before that there were 3 programmers who were 4 days a week. Simply list it as a requirement when searching for jobs and go from there. It's all negotiable, if you work at it.
- deprecative 3y ago
  How do you "list it as a requirement"? This seems like a great way to get offers pulled or not extended. Happy to find out what magic you know.
  - hirvi74 3y ago
    I assume if one is talented enough, then he or she holds the most power in any negotiation. I, for one, am not talented at what I do, and have no power in any negotiation. I couldn't even negotiate salary, since I offer literally nothing no one else couldn't offer. If the workplace mirrored the animal kingdom, I am more of the type of animal that feasts on carrion than hunts for fresh prey. Thus, I would never be able to swing such a deal. However, I do hope those that can swing such a deal do so, so that it may systemically trickle down to us scavenger type.
  - grecy 3y ago
    There is no magic, you just state what you're looking for early in the process and go from there. If you absolutely can not relocate, then remote is a condition, and you will turn down any offer that is not remote. If you absolutely can not take a pay cut, then a certain salary is a condition, and you will turn down any offer that is less than you currently make. If you absolutely want to work four days a week, then part time is a condition, and you will turn down any offer that is not four days a week.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      Yeah, but it's still a matter of supply, no? It'd be like me seeking 1m/year salary as someone with 5 years of experience and no clout. I'm sure there are 1m/yr salary jobs, but I' m nowhere near qualified enough to be taken seriously there. It's likewise in how I was willing to relocate 5 years ago for my first job. Because I wanted to take any opportunity and many others would pass me over. There's enough supply and enough talent on my end that I no longer need to relocate (plus I lucked out into a house. I'd need to literally triple my salary to justify moving and maintaining this kind of QoL if I was recruited into Silicon Valley), but I haven't seen the same prospects with part time, decently compensated tech work. I've looked out of curiosity due to long term plans, but it doesn't seem to be publicly advertised.
  - warp 3y ago
    If you really don't want to miss out on offers because of this, you could try to negotiate it after a certain amount of time and you've proven your worth at your job. In one of my first jobs I negotiated less hours instead of a raise whenever I got offered a raise. I went from 40 hours/week to 36 hours/week to 32 hours/week in a few years.

grecy 3y ago

I know many people working in tech who work 3 or 4 days a week. My last programming job nearly 10 years ago I was working 4 days a week, and at my job before that there were 3 programmers who were 4 days a week. Simply list it as a requirement when searching for jobs and go from there. It's all negotiable, if you work at it.

deprecative 3y ago
How do you "list it as a requirement"? This seems like a great way to get offers pulled or not extended. Happy to find out what magic you know.
- hirvi74 3y ago
  I assume if one is talented enough, then he or she holds the most power in any negotiation. I, for one, am not talented at what I do, and have no power in any negotiation. I couldn't even negotiate salary, since I offer literally nothing no one else couldn't offer. If the workplace mirrored the animal kingdom, I am more of the type of animal that feasts on carrion than hunts for fresh prey. Thus, I would never be able to swing such a deal. However, I do hope those that can swing such a deal do so, so that it may systemically trickle down to us scavenger type.
- grecy 3y ago
  There is no magic, you just state what you're looking for early in the process and go from there. If you absolutely can not relocate, then remote is a condition, and you will turn down any offer that is not remote. If you absolutely can not take a pay cut, then a certain salary is a condition, and you will turn down any offer that is less than you currently make. If you absolutely want to work four days a week, then part time is a condition, and you will turn down any offer that is not four days a week.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    Yeah, but it's still a matter of supply, no? It'd be like me seeking 1m/year salary as someone with 5 years of experience and no clout. I'm sure there are 1m/yr salary jobs, but I' m nowhere near qualified enough to be taken seriously there. It's likewise in how I was willing to relocate 5 years ago for my first job. Because I wanted to take any opportunity and many others would pass me over. There's enough supply and enough talent on my end that I no longer need to relocate (plus I lucked out into a house. I'd need to literally triple my salary to justify moving and maintaining this kind of QoL if I was recruited into Silicon Valley), but I haven't seen the same prospects with part time, decently compensated tech work. I've looked out of curiosity due to long term plans, but it doesn't seem to be publicly advertised.
- warp 3y ago
  If you really don't want to miss out on offers because of this, you could try to negotiate it after a certain amount of time and you've proven your worth at your job. In one of my first jobs I negotiated less hours instead of a raise whenever I got offered a raise. I went from 40 hours/week to 36 hours/week to 32 hours/week in a few years.