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fair.

• barista 14y ago
  So you just agreed the premise of your whole argument above is not valid. Just saying.
  • jayferd 14y ago
    that's a little harsh, don't you think? The topic in question is a little more subtle than that. The comments about the developer tools and the wonky VM setup still stand. Also, they say money is fungible, but it rubs me the wrong way to be paying MS for the privilege of testing my site on their browser.
  • irrelative 14y ago
    He said that a testing environment costs $300. If developer time were free, then yes, he would have agreed that his argument is invalid. Developer time is rather valuable, especially when considering opportunity costs.
    • masklinn 14y ago
      A developer is not a testing environment, and the developer price is paid for testing in Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera or what have you. MSIE is no different on that front.
      • irrelative 14y ago
        Of course a developer isn't a testing environment. Developers don't cost a fixed $300. If there are differences between IE and (Chrome|Firefox|Opera), then it will require additional developer time. Just testing for those differences will require additional developer time. I don't want to demonize IE. Supporting any browser requires testing. IE has been especially reluctant to adopt web developer trends and needs to work hard to regain developers' trust. Supporting it isn't just the cost of a testing environment.
  • yummyfajitas 14y ago
    The majority of his argument is sound, I'm just engaging in the standard HN practice of nitpicking the details.