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> Where is the security concern? That I can generate images of white people in various situations for my five minutes of entertainment? I'd love an example of

> Where is the security concern? That I can generate images of white people in various situations for my five minutes of entertainment? I'd love an example of "guardrails" in action on a topic of relevance to actual adults. There's a connection I can't find between the ability to make racist memes and literally anything else I want to do with AI.

raxxorraxor 3y ago
I can use trivial tools to do harm. Be that a knife or any object heavier than a pound. The user can use a tool for good or for bad. It is the responsibility of the user, not of the AI.
- gopher_space 3y ago
  A box knife with its tiny, retractable blade fits into your model. I could just open boxes with a naked razor blade, but the box knife is both safer and more useful.
  - lobocinza 3y ago
    Except that there are no guards but just places in the naked blade that were dulled. The dulled edges are indistinguishable from the sharp edges at first sight so the knife is less useful and less safer.
lobocinza 3y ago
I prefer to decide myself what is and what isn't of relevance to me. The "guardrails" in this case are racist (reverse racism is racism) and so cartoonish that they are hard to ignore but the real issue is that there are undisclosed "guardrails". What about the cases where it generates biased data and we don't notice it.
- gopher_space 3y ago
  Where are you getting the idea that there's unbiased information available? It's absolutely generating biased "data" since it's been trained on human writing.
  - lobocinza 3y ago
    Sure, all data is biased to a certain degree which is unavoidable. You can even try to make the argument that the "guardrails" correct existing biases except this is far from the truth. Biases in the baseline models are minimal because they were trained with large and wide amounts of data. What the AI safety BS do is make models conform to their myopic view of reality and morality. It is bad, it is cartoonish, it glows in the dark.
    - gopher_space 3y ago
      > You can even try to make the argument that the "guardrails" correct existing biases except this is far from the truth. The way I see it is that the guardrails define which biases you're selecting for. Since there's no single point of view in the world you can't really set a baseline for biases. You need to determine the biases and degrees of bias that are useful. > Biases in the baseline models are minimal because they were trained with large and wide amounts of data. The baseline models contain almost every bias. When people start their prompt with "you are a plumber giving advice" they're asking for responses biased towards the kinds of things professional plumbers deal with and think about. Responding with an "average" of public chatter regarding plumbing wouldn't be useful. > What the AI safety BS do is make models conform to their myopic view of reality and morality. To me it looks more like people are in the early stages of setting up guidelines and twiddling variables. As I mentioned above with the plumber analogy, creating solid filters will be just as important for responses. It's easy to see this as intentionally testing naive filters in an open beta, so I'd expect the results to change frequently while they zero in on what they're looking for. > It is bad, it is cartoonish, it glows in the dark. Some of the example images returned are so hilariously on the nose that it almost feels like a deliberate middle finger from the AI. It's done everything but put each subject in clown shoes.

raxxorraxor 3y ago

I can use trivial tools to do harm. Be that a knife or any object heavier than a pound. The user can use a tool for good or for bad. It is the responsibility of the user, not of the AI.

gopher_space 3y ago
A box knife with its tiny, retractable blade fits into your model. I could just open boxes with a naked razor blade, but the box knife is both safer and more useful.
- lobocinza 3y ago
  Except that there are no guards but just places in the naked blade that were dulled. The dulled edges are indistinguishable from the sharp edges at first sight so the knife is less useful and less safer.

lobocinza 3y ago

I prefer to decide myself what is and what isn't of relevance to me. The "guardrails" in this case are racist (reverse racism is racism) and so cartoonish that they are hard to ignore but the real issue is that there are undisclosed "guardrails". What about the cases where it generates biased data and we don't notice it.

gopher_space 3y ago
Where are you getting the idea that there's unbiased information available? It's absolutely generating biased "data" since it's been trained on human writing.
- lobocinza 3y ago
  Sure, all data is biased to a certain degree which is unavoidable. You can even try to make the argument that the "guardrails" correct existing biases except this is far from the truth. Biases in the baseline models are minimal because they were trained with large and wide amounts of data. What the AI safety BS do is make models conform to their myopic view of reality and morality. It is bad, it is cartoonish, it glows in the dark.
  - gopher_space 3y ago
    > You can even try to make the argument that the "guardrails" correct existing biases except this is far from the truth. The way I see it is that the guardrails define which biases you're selecting for. Since there's no single point of view in the world you can't really set a baseline for biases. You need to determine the biases and degrees of bias that are useful. > Biases in the baseline models are minimal because they were trained with large and wide amounts of data. The baseline models contain almost every bias. When people start their prompt with "you are a plumber giving advice" they're asking for responses biased towards the kinds of things professional plumbers deal with and think about. Responding with an "average" of public chatter regarding plumbing wouldn't be useful. > What the AI safety BS do is make models conform to their myopic view of reality and morality. To me it looks more like people are in the early stages of setting up guidelines and twiddling variables. As I mentioned above with the plumber analogy, creating solid filters will be just as important for responses. It's easy to see this as intentionally testing naive filters in an open beta, so I'd expect the results to change frequently while they zero in on what they're looking for. > It is bad, it is cartoonish, it glows in the dark. Some of the example images returned are so hilariously on the nose that it almost feels like a deliberate middle finger from the AI. It's done everything but put each subject in clown shoes.