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I've been a big framework fan, but have had to hit the pause button. They haven't updated the firmware for some models for ~two years, which is not acceptable.

I've been a big framework fan, but have had to hit the pause button. They haven't updated the firmware for some models for ~two years, which is not acceptable. We have two and the AMD still wakes up frequently (latest fw and kernel, not as bad as before) and all are still vulnerable to LogoFail as far as I know.

Always42 3y ago
this is sad, I have been debating buying a framework simply because I support there mission. But, I type this from a apple MacBook that I haven't charged in ~36hrs
beanjuiceII 3y ago
Windows or Linux?
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  Linux kernel 6.7.4, though I've only been on it a few days. Came directly from 6.6.x. I think 6.7 has improved it further, but I won't know for a few more days. Fedora dnf says 6.7.5 is coming today.
washadjeffmad 3y ago
I've kept an eye on the github to see if firmware has matured to the point of promise for their second-hand mainboard market, and so far, it has not. As you say, wake up and sleep are still broken, making them poorer options for Steam Deck clones than Panda or other x86 boards. It's just not in a good enough state to pay to advertise capability that isn't being provided. They're not terrible, and I hope they work it out, but the overselling and paid marketing campaigns feels very dishonest.
jarbus 3y ago
Been thinking about buying a framework but haven’t heard of this. Have they ever said why they haven’t updated it?
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  Still testing. But I got the impression in community threads they don’t have enough people on it, and/or insyde is not helping enough. Hard to know from outside.
  - mixmastamyk 3y ago
    If they used coreboot I’d probably be able to upgrade myself.
emptysongglass 3y ago
After two years and two replacements, my Framework board is really showing its age. The battery doesn't last more than a couple hours. Fans drive uncomfortably loud and hot. It won't even power on without being plugged in, despite the battery being full. Weird slowdowns that will cripple my system for half a minute at a time under any significant load. This is all despite multiple clean installs. My XPS 13 from 5 years ago is a more consistent performer than the Framework. I wouldn't recommend to anyone they purchase a Framework.
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  Sounds like you have hardware problems and need to speak with support (again). My issue is not likely hardware, but that firmware is not shipped often enough.
  - emptysongglass 3y ago
    Yes, that's what I was communicating. The QC is bad. In addition, firmware updates are few and far between and there's no sign of Coreboot support.
ac29 3y ago
> They haven't updated the firmware for some models for ~two years, which is not acceptable. Wow, I looked this up and yep, 11th/12th gen Intel Framework laptops havent had firmware updates since late 2022. Its closer to one year than two, but that is still a long time. My substantially older (8th gen Intel) Dell laptop got 4 firmware updates just last year, all of which contained security fixes.

Always42 3y ago

this is sad, I have been debating buying a framework simply because I support there mission. But, I type this from a apple MacBook that I haven't charged in ~36hrs

beanjuiceII 3y ago

Windows or Linux?

mixmastamyk 3y ago
Linux kernel 6.7.4, though I've only been on it a few days. Came directly from 6.6.x. I think 6.7 has improved it further, but I won't know for a few more days. Fedora dnf says 6.7.5 is coming today.

washadjeffmad 3y ago

I've kept an eye on the github to see if firmware has matured to the point of promise for their second-hand mainboard market, and so far, it has not. As you say, wake up and sleep are still broken, making them poorer options for Steam Deck clones than Panda or other x86 boards. It's just not in a good enough state to pay to advertise capability that isn't being provided. They're not terrible, and I hope they work it out, but the overselling and paid marketing campaigns feels very dishonest.

jarbus 3y ago

Been thinking about buying a framework but haven’t heard of this. Have they ever said why they haven’t updated it?

mixmastamyk 3y ago
Still testing. But I got the impression in community threads they don’t have enough people on it, and/or insyde is not helping enough. Hard to know from outside.
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  If they used coreboot I’d probably be able to upgrade myself.

emptysongglass 3y ago

After two years and two replacements, my Framework board is really showing its age. The battery doesn't last more than a couple hours. Fans drive uncomfortably loud and hot. It won't even power on without being plugged in, despite the battery being full. Weird slowdowns that will cripple my system for half a minute at a time under any significant load. This is all despite multiple clean installs. My XPS 13 from 5 years ago is a more consistent performer than the Framework. I wouldn't recommend to anyone they purchase a Framework.

mixmastamyk 3y ago
Sounds like you have hardware problems and need to speak with support (again). My issue is not likely hardware, but that firmware is not shipped often enough.
- emptysongglass 3y ago
  Yes, that's what I was communicating. The QC is bad. In addition, firmware updates are few and far between and there's no sign of Coreboot support.

ac29 3y ago

> They haven't updated the firmware for some models for ~two years, which is not acceptable. Wow, I looked this up and yep, 11th/12th gen Intel Framework laptops havent had firmware updates since late 2022. Its closer to one year than two, but that is still a long time. My substantially older (8th gen Intel) Dell laptop got 4 firmware updates just last year, all of which contained security fixes.