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> encrypted and local of course Only for people who'd pay for that. Free users would become the product.

by pier25 3y ago

fillskills 3y ago
Unless its open sourced :)
- troupo 3y ago
  In modern world open code often doesn't mean much. E.g. Chrome is opensourced. And yet no one really contributes to it or has any say over the direction its going: https://twitter.com/RickByers/status/1715568535731155100 https://twitter.com/RickByers/status/1715568535731155100
  - DariusKocar 3y ago
    One needs to follow the money to find the true direction. I think the ideal setup is that such a product is owned by a public figure/org who has no vested interest in making money or using it in a way.
  - stavros 3y ago
    Open source isn't meant to give everyone control over a specific project. It's meant to make it so, if you don't like the project, you can fork it and chart your own direction for it.
    - freedomben 3y ago
      exactly. open source doesn't mean you can tell other people what to do with their time and/or money. it does mean that you can use your own time and/or money to make it what you want it to be. The fact that there are active forks of Chromium is a pretty good indicator that it is working
    - userbinator 3y ago
      It's meant to make it so, if you don't like the project, you can fork it and chart your own direction for it. ...accompanied by the wrath of countless others discouraging you from trying to fork if you even so much as give slight indications of wanting to do so, and then when you do, they continue to spread FUD about how your fork is inferior. I've seen plenty of discussions here and elsewhere where the one who suggests forking got a virtual beating for it.
      - stavros 3y ago
        Is it up to the open source licenses to police the opinions people have?
  - pier25 3y ago
    Chrome is not open sourced, Chromium is.
    - troupo 3y ago
      A distinction without meaning
  - Buttons840 3y ago
    A browser is an extreme case, one of the most difficult types of software and full of stupid minutia and legacy crap. Nobody want to volunteer for that. Machine learning is fun and ultimately it doesn't require a lot of code. If people have the compute, open source maintainers will have the interest to exploit it due to the high coolness-to-work-required ratio.
  - charcircuit 3y ago
    The graph seems to be that browsers are able to focus more resources towards improving the browser than improving the browser engine to meet their needs. If the browser engine already has what they need there is less of need for companies to dig deep into the internals. It's a sign of maturity and also a sign that open source work is properly being funded.
dpkirchner 3y ago
I noticed you code this way, may i recommend a Lenovo Thinkpad with an Intel Xeon processor? You're sure to "wish everything was a Lenovo."
- graphe 3y ago
  Certainly! Here is a list of great thinkpads. The x230 is a popular and interesting thinkpad with a powerful i5 processor suitable for today’s needs. The T60 can also suit your needs and is one of the last IBM thinkpads. It featured the latest Intel mobile processor at the time of its release. If you want the most powerful thinkpad the T440p is sure to suit you perfectly without leaving your morals behind.

> encrypted and local of course Only for people who'd pay for that. Free users would become the product.

by pier25 3y ago

> encrypted and local of course Only for people who'd pay for that. Free users would become the product.

fillskills 3y ago

Unless its open sourced :)

troupo 3y ago
In modern world open code often doesn't mean much. E.g. Chrome is opensourced. And yet no one really contributes to it or has any say over the direction its going: https://twitter.com/RickByers/status/1715568535731155100 https://twitter.com/RickByers/status/1715568535731155100
- DariusKocar 3y ago
  One needs to follow the money to find the true direction. I think the ideal setup is that such a product is owned by a public figure/org who has no vested interest in making money or using it in a way.
- stavros 3y ago
  Open source isn't meant to give everyone control over a specific project. It's meant to make it so, if you don't like the project, you can fork it and chart your own direction for it.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    exactly. open source doesn't mean you can tell other people what to do with their time and/or money. it does mean that you can use your own time and/or money to make it what you want it to be. The fact that there are active forks of Chromium is a pretty good indicator that it is working
  - userbinator 3y ago
    It's meant to make it so, if you don't like the project, you can fork it and chart your own direction for it. ...accompanied by the wrath of countless others discouraging you from trying to fork if you even so much as give slight indications of wanting to do so, and then when you do, they continue to spread FUD about how your fork is inferior. I've seen plenty of discussions here and elsewhere where the one who suggests forking got a virtual beating for it.
    - stavros 3y ago
      Is it up to the open source licenses to police the opinions people have?
- pier25 3y ago
  Chrome is not open sourced, Chromium is.
  - troupo 3y ago
    A distinction without meaning
- Buttons840 3y ago
  A browser is an extreme case, one of the most difficult types of software and full of stupid minutia and legacy crap. Nobody want to volunteer for that. Machine learning is fun and ultimately it doesn't require a lot of code. If people have the compute, open source maintainers will have the interest to exploit it due to the high coolness-to-work-required ratio.
- charcircuit 3y ago
  The graph seems to be that browsers are able to focus more resources towards improving the browser than improving the browser engine to meet their needs. If the browser engine already has what they need there is less of need for companies to dig deep into the internals. It's a sign of maturity and also a sign that open source work is properly being funded.

dpkirchner 3y ago

I noticed you code this way, may i recommend a Lenovo Thinkpad with an Intel Xeon processor? You're sure to "wish everything was a Lenovo."

graphe 3y ago
Certainly! Here is a list of great thinkpads. The x230 is a popular and interesting thinkpad with a powerful i5 processor suitable for today’s needs. The T60 can also suit your needs and is one of the last IBM thinkpads. It featured the latest Intel mobile processor at the time of its release. If you want the most powerful thinkpad the T440p is sure to suit you perfectly without leaving your morals behind.