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I have a friend who's self-studied up to a pretty good hourly rate within ~2 years. The main thing he does is tons and tons of time studying solver outputs.

ProllyInfamous 3y ago
>The main thing he does is tons and tons of time... I was gonna'say "patience," but your response is better.
pests 3y ago
Yeah, this is it. I was a complete blackjack noob until a few months ago when I got interested in my states online casinos. I would check literally every position (even obvious ones) to see the expected value for each decision and quite quickly built up an intuition when I was playing without the aid (the live dealer games sometimes move too fast to input and get results back in time). Now its like second nature and only in rare situations do I double check my judgement.
smallnamespace 3y ago
Ah, so your friend is training a neural network as a general function approximator?
avarun 3y ago
What is "a pretty good hourly rate"? Just enough to subsist on? Equal to a software engineering salary? Or enough to outearn most careers?
- xetplan 3y ago
  I have never met a losing poker player. It is always the same story. Do you know how you can tell everyone is largely full of shit when it comes to poker? No one ever talks about the rake. They are a winning player no matter what the rake and that obviously can't be true. The other issue is the variance is so high in no limit that to converge to a true win rate in live full ring poker takes years of playing full time.
  - thatguysaguy 3y ago
    In this particular case I've just directly looked at the friend's pokertracker data, which includes rake values and then you just add rakeback to get the total. It's harder to cope oneself in an online setting where there's just a precise recording of all results.
- adamlett 3y ago
  I think you can safely assume that unless someone is part of the absolute poker elite, they are unlikely to be earning anything near the median software engineering income. It’s not impossible, but it would require access to some unusually soft high stakes games, and while such games do exist, they are typically invitation only.
- thatguysaguy 3y ago
  Lower than software, but about $50/hr

ProllyInfamous 3y ago

>The main thing he does is tons and tons of time... I was gonna'say "patience," but your response is better.

pests 3y ago

Yeah, this is it. I was a complete blackjack noob until a few months ago when I got interested in my states online casinos. I would check literally every position (even obvious ones) to see the expected value for each decision and quite quickly built up an intuition when I was playing without the aid (the live dealer games sometimes move too fast to input and get results back in time). Now its like second nature and only in rare situations do I double check my judgement.

smallnamespace 3y ago

Ah, so your friend is training a neural network as a general function approximator?

avarun 3y ago

What is "a pretty good hourly rate"? Just enough to subsist on? Equal to a software engineering salary? Or enough to outearn most careers?

xetplan 3y ago
I have never met a losing poker player. It is always the same story. Do you know how you can tell everyone is largely full of shit when it comes to poker? No one ever talks about the rake. They are a winning player no matter what the rake and that obviously can't be true. The other issue is the variance is so high in no limit that to converge to a true win rate in live full ring poker takes years of playing full time.
- thatguysaguy 3y ago
  In this particular case I've just directly looked at the friend's pokertracker data, which includes rake values and then you just add rakeback to get the total. It's harder to cope oneself in an online setting where there's just a precise recording of all results.
adamlett 3y ago
I think you can safely assume that unless someone is part of the absolute poker elite, they are unlikely to be earning anything near the median software engineering income. It’s not impossible, but it would require access to some unusually soft high stakes games, and while such games do exist, they are typically invitation only.
thatguysaguy 3y ago
Lower than software, but about $50/hr