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So they want $2k/month per cluster. It's the exact same open source product. No support is included. Even the smallest shops have at least 2 clusters. They wan

So they want $2k/month per cluster. It's the exact same open source product. No support is included. Even the smallest shops have at least 2 clusters. They want almost 5k a month to download an image from their private container registry? That seems insane. Also this felt really condescending and out of touch: > I hate this / you are evil / you have destroyed the beauty of open source. Who can I yell at? > Hi there, this is William Morgan, Buoyant's CEO. You can email me at william@buoyant.io or you can come find me in person at Kubecon EU in Paris next month. I'm the one who made this decision. (I'm also, perhaps not coincidentally, the person who pays the Linkerd maintainers.) Come talk to me and I'm happy to explain exactly why I did it and all the alternatives and options we considered.

kak3n 3y ago
Why not here, I also wonder how this is compatible with it being a cncf project.
- houseofzeus 3y ago
  All the maintainers for linkerd are employed by Buoyant, which means under current graduation criteria it wouldn't have been graduated in the first place. Will be interesting to see if the CNCF TOC does anything about it though.
  - smartbit 3y ago
    We’ve seen more products with mostly single maintainers, e.g. Flux and Argo graduating at the same time. Very interesting question. What happens if a product goes out of compliance?
    - houseofzeus 3y ago
      To my knowledge the CNCF has archived projects [1] before for one reason or another (most commonly inactivity), but I'm not aware of a case where they have actively kicked a project out. It's also interesting to think about what that would even look like since part of the project being added to CNCF in the first place were the trademarks etc. got handed over too [2] - not just the code. [1] https://www.cncf.io/archived-projects/ https://www.cncf.io/archived-projects/ [2] https://www.linuxfoundation.org/legal/trademarks https://www.linuxfoundation.org/legal/trademarks
smartbit 3y ago
Even the smallest shops have at least 2 clusters > Who has to pay for BEL? > Anyone can download and deploy BEL in non-production situations. Companies with fewer than 50 employees do not need to pay to use BEL in production. > After May 21st, 2024, companies with 50 or more employees must pay to use BEL in production Iow small shops don’t have to pay anything. And even the largest deployments eg. with a cluster for each developer only pay for the single production cluster.

kak3n 3y ago

Why not here, I also wonder how this is compatible with it being a cncf project.

houseofzeus 3y ago
All the maintainers for linkerd are employed by Buoyant, which means under current graduation criteria it wouldn't have been graduated in the first place. Will be interesting to see if the CNCF TOC does anything about it though.
- smartbit 3y ago
  We’ve seen more products with mostly single maintainers, e.g. Flux and Argo graduating at the same time. Very interesting question. What happens if a product goes out of compliance?
  - houseofzeus 3y ago
    To my knowledge the CNCF has archived projects [1] before for one reason or another (most commonly inactivity), but I'm not aware of a case where they have actively kicked a project out. It's also interesting to think about what that would even look like since part of the project being added to CNCF in the first place were the trademarks etc. got handed over too [2] - not just the code. [1] https://www.cncf.io/archived-projects/ https://www.cncf.io/archived-projects/ [2] https://www.linuxfoundation.org/legal/trademarks https://www.linuxfoundation.org/legal/trademarks

smartbit 3y ago

Even the smallest shops have at least 2 clusters > Who has to pay for BEL? > Anyone can download and deploy BEL in non-production situations. Companies with fewer than 50 employees do not need to pay to use BEL in production. > After May 21st, 2024, companies with 50 or more employees must pay to use BEL in production Iow small shops don’t have to pay anything. And even the largest deployments eg. with a cluster for each developer only pay for the single production cluster.