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The childishness of this headline is something else. People who like 'security tools' feel entitled to demand everyone else exhaust themselves in a never ending

The childishness of this headline is something else. People who like 'security tools' feel entitled to demand everyone else exhaust themselves in a never ending security arms race. Here's a compromise; things like Flipper Zero stay legal, but if you get caught with one, you're treated the same way as someone walking around with a crowbar.

topspin 3y ago
I had exactly the opposite reaction. Tools like flipper zero are trivial. Banning these make as much sense as banning the next designer drug. Yet that's the idiocy we default to, and the logical conclusion is the "War On Electronics." Manufacturers have been reckless, featurizing their products and ignoring basic expectations of their customers. It isn't unreasonable to expect that some low life knucklehead can't just toy with your car for a minute using a ~$5 transceiver and drive way without so much as an alarm going off.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  I don't disagree with the premise that car manufacturers should do better, but the same people that insist messing around with a Flipper Zero is Serious Business tend to be the same people who say regulation of things like vehicle standards and an unwelcome interference with the free market. I stand by my claim that the headline reflects a childish mindset instead of looking at both sides of the issue.
  - topspin 3y ago
    > the headline reflects a childish mindset The mature mindset being the frictionless acceptance of new laws to empower more minders and more law enforcement to utterly fail at preventing new "crime." Understood.
    - anigbrowl 3y ago
      Don't put words in my mouth. I wrote what I meant, not what you want to project onto it.
      - msla 3y ago
        People understood your words and pointed out the implications. Only infants refuse to think through their statements.
dghlsakjg 3y ago
This is already the law in many places. This is an article about Canada but, for example California Model Penal Code 466 says that: Every person having upon him or her in his or her possession a picklock, crow, keybit, crowbar, screwdriver, vise grip pliers, water-pump pliers, slidehammer, slim jim, tension bar, lock pick gun, tubular lock pick, bump key, floor-safe door puller, master key, ceramic or porcelain spark plug chips or pieces, or other instrument or tool with intent feloniously to break or enter... is guilty of a misdemeanor. Basically, if you are carrying anything that will be used for breaking and entering, with the intent of breaking or entering, that also is a crime.

topspin 3y ago

I had exactly the opposite reaction. Tools like flipper zero are trivial. Banning these make as much sense as banning the next designer drug. Yet that's the idiocy we default to, and the logical conclusion is the "War On Electronics." Manufacturers have been reckless, featurizing their products and ignoring basic expectations of their customers. It isn't unreasonable to expect that some low life knucklehead can't just toy with your car for a minute using a ~$5 transceiver and drive way without so much as an alarm going off.

anigbrowl 3y ago
I don't disagree with the premise that car manufacturers should do better, but the same people that insist messing around with a Flipper Zero is Serious Business tend to be the same people who say regulation of things like vehicle standards and an unwelcome interference with the free market. I stand by my claim that the headline reflects a childish mindset instead of looking at both sides of the issue.
- topspin 3y ago
  > the headline reflects a childish mindset The mature mindset being the frictionless acceptance of new laws to empower more minders and more law enforcement to utterly fail at preventing new "crime." Understood.
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    Don't put words in my mouth. I wrote what I meant, not what you want to project onto it.
    - msla 3y ago
      People understood your words and pointed out the implications. Only infants refuse to think through their statements.

dghlsakjg 3y ago

This is already the law in many places. This is an article about Canada but, for example California Model Penal Code 466 says that: Every person having upon him or her in his or her possession a picklock, crow, keybit, crowbar, screwdriver, vise grip pliers, water-pump pliers, slidehammer, slim jim, tension bar, lock pick gun, tubular lock pick, bump key, floor-safe door puller, master key, ceramic or porcelain spark plug chips or pieces, or other instrument or tool with intent feloniously to break or enter... is guilty of a misdemeanor. Basically, if you are carrying anything that will be used for breaking and entering, with the intent of breaking or entering, that also is a crime.