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Regarding the last one: there 1.5 million immigrants in Norway with total population 5.4 million. Gemini isn't very wrong, is it?

verticalscaler 3y ago
I think its great that some consideration was given by Gemma to the 2.3 million Norwegian immigrants. However it is/was very consistent in which kind of Norwegians it decided to show regardless of the prompt 100% of the time. In fact it was quite adamant regardless of the time period or geography. Rather mysteriously if you try it now as opposed to when it came out the results currently only show non-immigrant Norwegians. So is it wrong now? Because now it switched to exclusively ignoring the 4.5 million immigrants and only showing me the boring OG Norwegians. I for one am outraged that the 8.9 million people of color Norwegian immigrants are presently under represented by Google. There is a serious risk of misleading people.
- hnbad 3y ago
  Cut down on the grandstanding maybe. It's clear from its descriptions and what we known now that they just carelessly added "diverse ethnicities and genders" or whatever to prompts across the board to compensate for a model that otherwise clearly would have defaulted to just spitting out pictures of white people for most prompts. That's not part of some nefarious agenda to destroy Truth and history but literally just trying to cover their asses because Google has a history of accidental racism (e.g. the "tagging Black people as gorillas" incident a while back). Pretending that a shoddy AI image generated with a blatant inability to produce consistent output is a "serious risk" is ridiculous. The thing wasn't even able to give you a picture of the founding fathers that didn't look like a Colors of Benetton ad. I struggle to imagine what tangible risk this "misinfo" would have. Norwegians being the wrong color? And what harm does that do? Bad assumptions about the prevalence of sickle cell anemia?
sondr3 3y ago
Huh? The official numbers are 877k or 16% [0]. Are you just pulling numbers out of thin air? [0]: https://www.ssb.no/en/innvandring-og-innvandrere/faktaside/innvandring https://www.ssb.no/en/innvandring-og-innvandrere/faktaside/i...
- protomolecule 3y ago
  Yeah, the number includes the second generation. https://www.statista.com/statistics/586719/foreign-population-in-norway-by-immigration-category/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/586719/foreign-populatio...
Jensson 3y ago
Most immigrants to Norway are white.
speedgoose 3y ago
Well, the prompt is about Norway, not Grønland in Oslo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grønland%2C_Oslo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grønland%2C_Oslo).
sergiotapia 3y ago
bro you know exactly what the request meant. GOOGLE knew exactly what the request meant, and had to _train_ it to do something worse. Come on now. If I ask for a Bolivian woman, I expect a colla or a camba. Not a japanese woman, despite Santa Cruz having a very large japanese population.

verticalscaler 3y ago

I think its great that some consideration was given by Gemma to the 2.3 million Norwegian immigrants. However it is/was very consistent in which kind of Norwegians it decided to show regardless of the prompt 100% of the time. In fact it was quite adamant regardless of the time period or geography. Rather mysteriously if you try it now as opposed to when it came out the results currently only show non-immigrant Norwegians. So is it wrong now? Because now it switched to exclusively ignoring the 4.5 million immigrants and only showing me the boring OG Norwegians. I for one am outraged that the 8.9 million people of color Norwegian immigrants are presently under represented by Google. There is a serious risk of misleading people.

hnbad 3y ago
Cut down on the grandstanding maybe. It's clear from its descriptions and what we known now that they just carelessly added "diverse ethnicities and genders" or whatever to prompts across the board to compensate for a model that otherwise clearly would have defaulted to just spitting out pictures of white people for most prompts. That's not part of some nefarious agenda to destroy Truth and history but literally just trying to cover their asses because Google has a history of accidental racism (e.g. the "tagging Black people as gorillas" incident a while back). Pretending that a shoddy AI image generated with a blatant inability to produce consistent output is a "serious risk" is ridiculous. The thing wasn't even able to give you a picture of the founding fathers that didn't look like a Colors of Benetton ad. I struggle to imagine what tangible risk this "misinfo" would have. Norwegians being the wrong color? And what harm does that do? Bad assumptions about the prevalence of sickle cell anemia?

sondr3 3y ago

Huh? The official numbers are 877k or 16% [0]. Are you just pulling numbers out of thin air? [0]: https://www.ssb.no/en/innvandring-og-innvandrere/faktaside/innvandring https://www.ssb.no/en/innvandring-og-innvandrere/faktaside/i...

protomolecule 3y ago
Yeah, the number includes the second generation. https://www.statista.com/statistics/586719/foreign-population-in-norway-by-immigration-category/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/586719/foreign-populatio...

Jensson 3y ago

Most immigrants to Norway are white.

speedgoose 3y ago

Well, the prompt is about Norway, not Grønland in Oslo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grønland%2C_Oslo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grønland%2C_Oslo).

sergiotapia 3y ago

bro you know exactly what the request meant. GOOGLE knew exactly what the request meant, and had to _train_ it to do something worse. Come on now. If I ask for a Bolivian woman, I expect a colla or a camba. Not a japanese woman, despite Santa Cruz having a very large japanese population.