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i think western society is just currently in its "massive overcorrection from decades of ignorance/stigma about mental health issues" phase, it'll probably bala

i think western society is just currently in its "massive overcorrection from decades of ignorance/stigma about mental health issues" phase, it'll probably balance itself out over time, or at least i hope it will. at the moment it's just impossible to even have the conversation, the concept that people aren't just forever victims of their own feelings and that some or even most people need to do real hard work on themselves is straight up offensive to a lot of people.

maleldil 3y ago
> some or even most people need to do real hard work on themselves Isn't this what people that go to therapy are doing?
- yungporko 3y ago
  well that's the idea, but i've known many people who go to "therapy" and really all they're doing is paying for validation. i've known many more people who don't go to therapy and have never made any effort to work on themselves at all, and just expect the world to grant them some kind of protected status and absolve them of any responsibility for their own actions.
  - maleldil 3y ago
    Regarding the latter group, are you talking about mental illnesses self-diagnosis or something like that? Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. I'm especially confused about "some kind of protected status".
    - yungporko 3y ago
      either one, for example saying things like "it's not my fault i showed up an hour late to work again, i have anxiety" as if it just means that you aren't responsible for your actions and it isn't a problem you need to solve
      - maleldil 3y ago
        Hmm. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Certain mental health conditions are recognised as disabilities in the UK, and the people affected are entitled to support at work [1]. Still, I agree that it doesn't exempt one for their actions. I just don't think it's always binary like that, especially for chronic conditions that can be improved but not solved. [1] https://www.gov.uk/when-mental-health-condition-becomes-disability https://www.gov.uk/when-mental-health-condition-becomes-disa...
        yungporko 3y ago
        i'm not saying that flexibility and support for those suffering is a bad thing by any means, i'm just saying that there's a massive difference between "i have anxiety, deal with it" and "sorry i struggle with [thing] because of anxiety, but i'm working on it and support in the form of x would help me achieve y in the meantime"

maleldil 3y ago

> some or even most people need to do real hard work on themselves Isn't this what people that go to therapy are doing?

yungporko 3y ago
well that's the idea, but i've known many people who go to "therapy" and really all they're doing is paying for validation. i've known many more people who don't go to therapy and have never made any effort to work on themselves at all, and just expect the world to grant them some kind of protected status and absolve them of any responsibility for their own actions.
- maleldil 3y ago
  Regarding the latter group, are you talking about mental illnesses self-diagnosis or something like that? Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. I'm especially confused about "some kind of protected status".
  - yungporko 3y ago
    either one, for example saying things like "it's not my fault i showed up an hour late to work again, i have anxiety" as if it just means that you aren't responsible for your actions and it isn't a problem you need to solve
    - maleldil 3y ago
      Hmm. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Certain mental health conditions are recognised as disabilities in the UK, and the people affected are entitled to support at work [1]. Still, I agree that it doesn't exempt one for their actions. I just don't think it's always binary like that, especially for chronic conditions that can be improved but not solved. [1] https://www.gov.uk/when-mental-health-condition-becomes-disability https://www.gov.uk/when-mental-health-condition-becomes-disa...
      - yungporko 3y ago
        i'm not saying that flexibility and support for those suffering is a bad thing by any means, i'm just saying that there's a massive difference between "i have anxiety, deal with it" and "sorry i struggle with [thing] because of anxiety, but i'm working on it and support in the form of x would help me achieve y in the meantime"