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The largest metro area on the planet, Tokyo, 34 million people, is also the one of the safest with the extremely low crime. Seoul, and Singapore are both around

by nox101 3y ago

The largest metro area on the planet, Tokyo, 34 million people, is also the one of the safest with the extremely low crime. Seoul, and Singapore are both around 10 million and are also safe with low crime.

Nursie 3y ago
Japanese criminal procedure is … interesting from what I can tell. There is a very high conviction rate, suspiciously so. Singapore is questionably democratic, utilises corporal punishment and is described by some as a police state. I think it’s fair to say that while a strong sense of community ethics may be present in Singapore, it’s certainly not the only thing holding people in line. Seoul I know little about.
- nox101 3y ago
  I've heard the claim the stats are not comparable. USA, each suspect is registered, then suspect gets acquitted. Stats show 100 suspects, 50 acquitted = 50% convicted. Japan there is no suspect registered unless they're already sure it will stick. In other words they've already done the investigation. So 50 suspects = 100% convicted because the 50 that there wasn't enough evidence for were never even registered as suspects. > Only about 8% of cases are actually prosecuted, and this low prosecution rate is the reason for Japan's high conviction rate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap... If true this makes sense some cultural sense. Japan is super privacy conscious. It's Japan that got google maps to remove people's faces from street view. It's also illegal to take pictures of people in public. Being labeled a suspect would mark someone unjustly if it turns out are not likely guilty. No actual idea of that plays into the difference. Just thinking out loud.
aidenn0 3y ago
It's also illegal to possess a gun in Tokyo, not just illegal to shoot somebody.
- slily 3y ago
  1. Go look up how relevant guns are to overall crime rates in the US. 2. Go look up what happened to the last prime minister of Japan.
  - aidenn0 3y ago
    The context is talking about whether we should regulate the environment or just normative ethics; Tokyo has a lot of laws regulating the environment.
    - slily 3y ago
      I don't know if you're pretending to be unaware or genuinely ignorant, but no. Japanese society places extreme emphasis on teaching children to behave respectfully in society and these values are taught from early childhood to adulthood. If you want to attribute their low crime rate to gun control you'll have to bring something halfway convincing to the table.
WWLink 3y ago
I've learned not to trust those sorts of statistics. It's like the "<ethical group A> commits way less crime than <ethical group b>" argument you see on reddit sometimes by the ACKSHUALLY crowd. The problem with those statistics is they only count the people who were CAUGHT (and convicted and punished) breaking said laws. People break laws and get away with it all the time - probably the majority of the time. My friend, when was the last time you saw a $100,000 Mercedes on the side of the road with 3 cop cars behind it, the driver sitting on the curb, and a K-9 sniffing the inside of the car? Yet I can count plenty of times I've seen such a car run red lights, roll stop signs, and flagrantly disobey posted speed limits. (Especially when a BMW badge is involved lol)

by nox101 3y ago

Nursie 3y ago

Japanese criminal procedure is … interesting from what I can tell. There is a very high conviction rate, suspiciously so. Singapore is questionably democratic, utilises corporal punishment and is described by some as a police state. I think it’s fair to say that while a strong sense of community ethics may be present in Singapore, it’s certainly not the only thing holding people in line. Seoul I know little about.

nox101 3y ago
I've heard the claim the stats are not comparable. USA, each suspect is registered, then suspect gets acquitted. Stats show 100 suspects, 50 acquitted = 50% convicted. Japan there is no suspect registered unless they're already sure it will stick. In other words they've already done the investigation. So 50 suspects = 100% convicted because the 50 that there wasn't enough evidence for were never even registered as suspects. > Only about 8% of cases are actually prosecuted, and this low prosecution rate is the reason for Japan's high conviction rate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap... If true this makes sense some cultural sense. Japan is super privacy conscious. It's Japan that got google maps to remove people's faces from street view. It's also illegal to take pictures of people in public. Being labeled a suspect would mark someone unjustly if it turns out are not likely guilty. No actual idea of that plays into the difference. Just thinking out loud.

aidenn0 3y ago

It's also illegal to possess a gun in Tokyo, not just illegal to shoot somebody.

slily 3y ago
1. Go look up how relevant guns are to overall crime rates in the US. 2. Go look up what happened to the last prime minister of Japan.
- aidenn0 3y ago
  The context is talking about whether we should regulate the environment or just normative ethics; Tokyo has a lot of laws regulating the environment.
  - slily 3y ago
    I don't know if you're pretending to be unaware or genuinely ignorant, but no. Japanese society places extreme emphasis on teaching children to behave respectfully in society and these values are taught from early childhood to adulthood. If you want to attribute their low crime rate to gun control you'll have to bring something halfway convincing to the table.

WWLink 3y ago

I've learned not to trust those sorts of statistics. It's like the "<ethical group A> commits way less crime than <ethical group b>" argument you see on reddit sometimes by the ACKSHUALLY crowd. The problem with those statistics is they only count the people who were CAUGHT (and convicted and punished) breaking said laws. People break laws and get away with it all the time - probably the majority of the time. My friend, when was the last time you saw a $100,000 Mercedes on the side of the road with 3 cop cars behind it, the driver sitting on the curb, and a K-9 sniffing the inside of the car? Yet I can count plenty of times I've seen such a car run red lights, roll stop signs, and flagrantly disobey posted speed limits. (Especially when a BMW badge is involved lol)