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If so it should be faced at the ground if that were the case. But that would require privacy considerations by engineers who design cameras into their hardware

If so it should be faced at the ground if that were the case. But that would require privacy considerations by engineers who design cameras into their hardware :/

nicklecompte 3y ago
It makes a ton of sense when you consider that it's cheaper to buy a freight train full of cheap Android tablets with front-facing cameras than it is to engineer a custom device with a camera that faces downwards.
- bombcar 3y ago
  This is exactly it - the number of "high-end" devices that have things like that inside would boggle the mind. Perhaps the most famous: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/21/16339122/ecg-powered-game-boy-advance https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/21/16339122/e...
crazygringo 3y ago
There is no expectation of privacy of your face when engaging in any kind of commercial transaction. To the contrary, it's an essential measure for helping to track down theft and fraud. Every self-checkout takes a photo of your face. Every ATM. And basically every store where you check out with a cashier has security cameras capturing your face from angles. So there is no reason why engineers would want to angle the camera downwards.
- NewJazz 3y ago
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- hughesjj 3y ago
  > There is no expectation of privacy of your face when engaging in any kind of commercial transaction. I expect to be informed that recording will be occuring given I live in a two party consent state. There is an expectation of privacy in certain circumstances, ex law office, Drs office, and the break room (given discussing working conditions in a break room is a protected activity where recording is disallowed) Every customer support hotline I've ever dialed prefaces the message with 'this conversation may be recorded'. Most ATMs have a video surveillance tag somewhere nearby. Regardless, if Amazon bought commercial products with recording devices and installed them in the break room, that's ultimately Amazon's responsibility. Perhaps it was an honest mistake, but IMHO Amazon has failed to Earn Trust and Disagree and Commit to following the law when it comes to labor regulations
  - gruez 3y ago
    >I expect to be informed that recording will be occuring given I live in a two party consent state. The concept of "two party consent" only applies to conversations. They don't apply to video recordings.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    In case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about taking basic video/still security footage while paying for something. There's no such thing as two-party consent for that. That has nothing to do with audio recording, which seems to be what you're talking about. I'm not talking about audio, nor is the original article in question, nor the coffee machine in question.
    - hughesjj 3y ago
      I don't think the media of recording matters so much as that there exists a recording. I agree that in other contexts this might be less troublesome, but Amazon has a history of retaliation against labor organization, and it's quite possible (I'm by no means saying certain or even probable) that this is another instance of such.
      - jstarfish 3y ago

If so it should be faced at the ground if that were the case. But that would require privacy considerations by engineers who design cameras into their hardware :/

nicklecompte 3y ago

It makes a ton of sense when you consider that it's cheaper to buy a freight train full of cheap Android tablets with front-facing cameras than it is to engineer a custom device with a camera that faces downwards.

bombcar 3y ago
This is exactly it - the number of "high-end" devices that have things like that inside would boggle the mind. Perhaps the most famous: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/21/16339122/ecg-powered-game-boy-advance https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/21/16339122/e...

crazygringo 3y ago

There is no expectation of privacy of your face when engaging in any kind of commercial transaction. To the contrary, it's an essential measure for helping to track down theft and fraud. Every self-checkout takes a photo of your face. Every ATM. And basically every store where you check out with a cashier has security cameras capturing your face from angles. So there is no reason why engineers would want to angle the camera downwards.

NewJazz 3y ago
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- crazygringo 3y ago
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hughesjj 3y ago
> There is no expectation of privacy of your face when engaging in any kind of commercial transaction. I expect to be informed that recording will be occuring given I live in a two party consent state. There is an expectation of privacy in certain circumstances, ex law office, Drs office, and the break room (given discussing working conditions in a break room is a protected activity where recording is disallowed) Every customer support hotline I've ever dialed prefaces the message with 'this conversation may be recorded'. Most ATMs have a video surveillance tag somewhere nearby. Regardless, if Amazon bought commercial products with recording devices and installed them in the break room, that's ultimately Amazon's responsibility. Perhaps it was an honest mistake, but IMHO Amazon has failed to Earn Trust and Disagree and Commit to following the law when it comes to labor regulations
- gruez 3y ago
  >I expect to be informed that recording will be occuring given I live in a two party consent state. The concept of "two party consent" only applies to conversations. They don't apply to video recordings.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  In case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about taking basic video/still security footage while paying for something. There's no such thing as two-party consent for that. That has nothing to do with audio recording, which seems to be what you're talking about. I'm not talking about audio, nor is the original article in question, nor the coffee machine in question.
  - hughesjj 3y ago
    I don't think the media of recording matters so much as that there exists a recording. I agree that in other contexts this might be less troublesome, but Amazon has a history of retaliation against labor organization, and it's quite possible (I'm by no means saying certain or even probable) that this is another instance of such.
    - jstarfish 3y ago