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Sure, but it seems like enforce these ethical behaviors and punish the bottom 1% that goes against them is just as much of a solution as redesign society and th
by keiferski 3y ago
Sure, but it seems like enforce these ethical behaviors and punish the bottom 1% that goes against them is just as much of a solution as redesign society and the environment so that everyone can't act like that 1%.
- madeofpalk 3y agoPeople don't want their cars stolen. Punishing the thieves doesn't undo their actions.
- whimsicalism 3y agoGreat - and how is that different from the law again?
- keiferski 3y agoBecause the law is only punishing people that break the rules, not teaching them what ethical behavior is in the first place. It’s fundamentally a reactive process. In other words, you want people that don’t steal cars because they feel bad about it. You don’t want them to not steal cars because they’re afraid of the law.
- whimsicalism 3y agoSorry - you edited your comment substantially, the process you initially described was identical to the law.
- pixl97 3y ago>because they feel bad about it. You do realize that some portion of the population can't feel bad about it right? Needless to say, I pray to whatever deities that you do not work in computer security. You would be laughed out of existence by saying "Just tell the world to be nice" rather than say, not write SQL injections. How about "Tell all the viruses to be nice and not infect cells".
- mrguyorama 3y agoWhy do you believe this isn't happening? Things like the golden rule and other normative ethical ideas are literally being taught in schools today, from kindergarten all the way up through required college classes. The vast majority of people don't do bad things explicitly because they think it would be "bad". The vast majority of human behavior IS normative ethics right now! Next time you go to the grocery store, pay attention to what percentage of carts make it back to the cart corral vs are just left in parking lot, despite zero legal framework or forcing behavior to make it happen. The human brain however has no difficulty squaring such "good and bad" concepts with doing bad things though. Everyone believes they are the hero of their own story, and the brain is willing to lie to itself to reinforce that belief.
- unethical_ban 3y agoYou seem to suggest that parents and schools are not teaching ethical behavior. Do you think this is happening at a large scale? I know some leftists (I'm liberal) who don't seem to care about minor theft or crime because it seems like peanuts next to the civilization-wrecking greed and pollution and wealth transfer underway by the owners of capital. But I don't think that is a majority thought. I personally think the criminal justice system has decided they either won't do their jobs, or that they are so understaffed that they can't do their job of investigating and punishing crime. Again, my take is that most people of all political stripes want crime to be punished.
- keiferski 3y agoI don't really get the impression that teachers are expected to instill strong moral values, more just teach the subject and then leave. With parents, my feeling is not so much that society expects them to instill strong ethical values in their children, but rather something more pragmatic, Machiavellian, "making it in life," and so forth.