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What would "enforcing any sort of religious or ethical norms" look like in a society that used those methods to effectively prevent the exploitation of vehicle

What would "enforcing any sort of religious or ethical norms" look like in a society that used those methods to effectively prevent the exploitation of vehicle owners by car thieves?

keiferski 3y ago
The obvious answer would be to harshly punish theft via jail time/etc., but that's sort of not my point, and I don't think that's actually the root issue. Because it's more that stealing cars is apparently an acceptable activity for a lot of people to do. By acceptable, I mean socially, to friends, to family members, to themselves. That seems like a major societal failing to me, much moreso than "this car isn't designed with the optimal security system."
- sokoloff 3y ago
  I get that, but given the observed existence of a subset of the population where this is currently acceptable, what does "enforcing [] religious or ethical norms" to fix the problem look like? I agree with you there's a societal or communal failure here. I don't see what the solution is (other than jail time/etc).
  - keiferski 3y ago
    My immediate answer is to say something like "we need more ethical education" but that's obviously kind of a weak response. The long, slow answer might be that society may re-organize itself into sub-units that do enforce ethical behaviors, and those sub-units eventually prevail over those that don't.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      >and those sub-units eventually prevail over those that don't. Why do you believe this?
      - keiferski 3y ago
        I don't know if it's necessarily going to be the case, but I do think one can look at contemporary society and see that certain groups with "rigid" ethical systems are prevailing over those that don't. Economically, sometimes, but even moreso in a reproductive sense. I'm thinking of groups like the Mormons, Amish, Orthodox Jews, and so forth.
- Draiken 3y ago
  That makes zero sense to me. Theft is not acceptable by any means. People that steal do so by several motives, most commonly because they feel like they have to due to poverty, addiction, etc. You also already get punished for it with harsh penalties. But no matter how dystopian a government gets, it can't guarantee 100% enforcement of any law. To fix that, we'd have to create a society that takes care of those motives that drive theft, so it doesn't happen anymore. Unfortunately that will never exist in our current society.

What would "enforcing any sort of religious or ethical norms" look like in a society that used those methods to effectively prevent the exploitation of vehicle owners by car thieves?

keiferski 3y ago

The obvious answer would be to harshly punish theft via jail time/etc., but that's sort of not my point, and I don't think that's actually the root issue. Because it's more that stealing cars is apparently an acceptable activity for a lot of people to do. By acceptable, I mean socially, to friends, to family members, to themselves. That seems like a major societal failing to me, much moreso than "this car isn't designed with the optimal security system."

sokoloff 3y ago
I get that, but given the observed existence of a subset of the population where this is currently acceptable, what does "enforcing [] religious or ethical norms" to fix the problem look like? I agree with you there's a societal or communal failure here. I don't see what the solution is (other than jail time/etc).
- keiferski 3y ago
  My immediate answer is to say something like "we need more ethical education" but that's obviously kind of a weak response. The long, slow answer might be that society may re-organize itself into sub-units that do enforce ethical behaviors, and those sub-units eventually prevail over those that don't.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    >and those sub-units eventually prevail over those that don't. Why do you believe this?
    - keiferski 3y ago
      I don't know if it's necessarily going to be the case, but I do think one can look at contemporary society and see that certain groups with "rigid" ethical systems are prevailing over those that don't. Economically, sometimes, but even moreso in a reproductive sense. I'm thinking of groups like the Mormons, Amish, Orthodox Jews, and so forth.
Draiken 3y ago
That makes zero sense to me. Theft is not acceptable by any means. People that steal do so by several motives, most commonly because they feel like they have to due to poverty, addiction, etc. You also already get punished for it with harsh penalties. But no matter how dystopian a government gets, it can't guarantee 100% enforcement of any law. To fix that, we'd have to create a society that takes care of those motives that drive theft, so it doesn't happen anymore. Unfortunately that will never exist in our current society.