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These cars are being sold with defective security measures. They don't work the way manufactures promise or customers expect. It shouldn't be any different tha
by eli 3y ago
These cars are being sold with defective security measures. They don't work the way manufactures promise or customers expect.
It shouldn't be any different than a car sold with headlights that are too dim
- sidewndr46 3y agoBut that is my point. All security measures are defective. I can always tie a chain to your vehicle and leave with it. Security measures deter criminals, they can never stop them. Only the government can do that. The government is not obliged to do that in the US. Thus, no one can stop criminals To metaphorically put it: no matter how good your 2FA is, I can always get around it if I can torture you or threaten your loved ones.
- sokoloff 3y agoI think there is a meaningful and useful difference between "defective" and "not comprehensive".
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- vladvasiliu 3y agoThis is a different discussion. There doesn't seem to have been any abuse of a loved one before the perps drove off in the cars. The cars weren't sold as "unstealable". The whole point is that what was sold (some kind of key security) was half-assedly implemented.
- sidewndr46 3y agoYou can extrapolate this argument to almost anything about a vehicle in North America. I've been working on them for decades. The way manufacturers make money is by half-assing things. Where a chain should be used, a belt is used. Where a 10 cent switch should be used, a touchscreen replaces it. Where a shifter should be, some knob is used to replace which actually kills a guy because he didn't realize his SUV was in gear. I had to replace part of the engine on my personal truck recently because it was made of plastic and obviously failed. The replacement parts were metal because all I did was order the previous generations part number which works perfectly fine but costs more. What you call "half assed" is what everyone in the industry calls a profit margin.
- riskable 3y agoYou are so wrong it's unreal! Quality switches suitable for use in a vehicle don't cost $0.10, they cost $0.01! -at the volumes they'd be purchased for auto manufacturing.
- HPsquared 3y agoYou don't need just the switch. It needs a housing, a cap, lighting, wiring, and connectors at the other end of the wire too. And all this needs to be designed in a "waterfall" style, with long lead times. Overall, a virtual button is going to be cheaper to engineer and manufacture than a hardware button. It's not big, overall, but these small savings accumulate over the whole vehicle.
- cute_boi 3y agoI think instead of making excuses we should harden the security and regulation should enforce such things. There is always a hole in security, but we gotta choose the best option we have.
- ytx 3y ago> Security measures deter criminals, they can never stop them. Right, but in practice deterrence and incentives can be much more effective (from a cost and practical standpoint). I imagine the government would have a much harder time stopping people from randomly chaining vehicles than tracking stolen ones. There just doesn't happen to much incentive for the former.
- babypuncher 3y agoSo, because any lock I put on my front door can theoretically be broken, I shouldn't bother putting on a good one?
- eli 3y agoThis is a silly argument that could be deployed against ever trying to regulate anything. Of course the government can't mandate perfect security. There's no such thing as perfect security. The goal is cars that are harder to steal and electronic security measures that follow something resembling best practices.
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- hot_gril 3y agoYet they're probably more secure than just a regular car that's on the older side.