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No it's not. It's a disability with very serious consequences for the lifespan of people affected. Please don't repeat this pointless pseudoscientific bs. This

No it's not. It's a disability with very serious consequences for the lifespan of people affected. Please don't repeat this pointless pseudoscientific bs. This link contains a good starting point to understanding what science knows about it. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976342100049X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976342...

ryandvm 3y ago
I mean, I'm sure it could be if it were a serious enough case, but the ADHD that I was diagnosed with is nothing more than the inability to do shit that I find boring. It's a career limiting inconvenience.
nvarsj 3y ago
> It's a disability with very serious consequences for the lifespan of people affected. I think this is the case for those with severe ADHD. They can't really function at all in modern society, it's a severe impediment. Vast majority of ADHD (esp. adult adhd cases, where childhood symptoms were not obvious) are nothing like that. I think this is where the idea of it being a phenotype comes in, for the mild/moderate ADHD cases.
- sudosysgen 3y ago
  There are studies showing a large impact to life expectancy for peopke with ADHD. It is too large to be consistent for the vast majority of people having minimal to no impairment. Indeed, having ADHD that persists into adulthood leads to an average drop in life expectancy of almost 13 years. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30526189/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30526189/ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)61684-6/abstract https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... Even for those who can function in society, ADHD causes greatly increased rates of major depression, suicide, addiction, and accidental death.
- Yizahi 3y ago
  Is having a chronic rhinitis, or diabetes, or deafness, a block to function in a modern society? No, thousands are living with them mostly normal daily lives. Are they illnesses? Yes definitely, and we treat them with meds issued by doctors. Same with ADHD - it an illness and should be treated as such. I likely have undiagnosed ADHD. I'm ill. I need and want treatment (just afraid because of that same ADHD). What's the big deal with calling illness an illness or mental health disorder? Me being ill doesn't make me a lesser human like some apologists of "new normal" try to describe. Just like my rhinitis doesn't make me a lesser human. Both are illnesses, no big deal.
  - faeriechangling 3y ago
    >What's the big deal with calling illness an illness or mental health disorder? I'm not on medication and have ADHD. You're just essentially calling me disordered, disabled, and untreated. The consequent stigma impacts my social and professional opportunities, and this stigma is justified primarily on the basis that if I just simply hate and disparage who I am enough I might be motivated to take ADHD medications and thus become "better". I dunno, when you call me less orderly than other people, and less able than other people, but I'm not being described a "lesser"? Utter horseshit. I've heard this sort of rhetoric in disability communities many times before but no, being disabled and disordered is a bad thing. That is WHY Russel Barkley likes calling people disabled and disordered - because that give people an impetus to get "Better". I simply an intolerant of people using languages that portrays me as less capable, when autism + ADHD has opened up many doors for me that otherwise would have been closed. It's just fucking unfair and defamatory. If people want to be on meds, go on meds, but I don't see why you have to call me "disordered" in the process.
    - Yizahi 3y ago
      I'm not on medication and maybe have ADHD (undiagnosed). I don't see why I can't be called disordered, because I am. But I completely disagree about some mythical "social stigma". Hell, if I don't know if have it, then other people can't tell it even more. Sure, they may suspect something, but without having proofs or data nobody does it. I literally can't be discriminated on the basis of having ADHD or not having it because it is impossible. What does impact my professional opportunities is this ADHD illness itself. It makes me really bad at things I'm perfectly capable of doing with good quality and in time, but instead I screw up deadlines and my work suffers a lot. I'm not sure if meds help or not (but evidence for other people shows that it do), but I know for sure that people without ADHD lead better lives. Better, without any scary quotes. And I also do want to become better and try to medicate this shitty condition.
faeriechangling 3y ago
Men have shorter lifespan's than women largely due to testosterone, but that doesn't mean men having testosterone is evolutionarily maladaptive. I eye some risks people with ADHD have, like higher risk for STIs. Sure, Russel Barkley things people with ADHD getting STI's makes them "disabled", but evolution gives a bit two thumbs up to people with ADHD having unprotected sex. Barkley then brags treating ADHD will reduce STIs, by you know, reducing the amount of unprotected sex with multiple partners that they're having. If anything listening to Barkley's advice is likely to make the average person less reproductively successful. I don't know, I don't like Barkley and his pro-pharma fan club. It's correct that medicating people with ADHD will profoundly change their behaviour. But I don't see any reason to call the prior way people ADHD people behaved as "disordered" and "a disability" and the new way they behave on stimulants to be curing them of a horrible disease or whatever. That description is not scientific - it's subjective what we do or don't consider a disability or disorder. If you prefer life on addy, good for you, keep using addy. I find the entire way we decide to describe behavioural and neurological differences as disabilities and disorders to just be thinly veiled bigotry often taking the form of self-hatred.

ryandvm 3y ago

I mean, I'm sure it could be if it were a serious enough case, but the ADHD that I was diagnosed with is nothing more than the inability to do shit that I find boring. It's a career limiting inconvenience.

nvarsj 3y ago

> It's a disability with very serious consequences for the lifespan of people affected. I think this is the case for those with severe ADHD. They can't really function at all in modern society, it's a severe impediment. Vast majority of ADHD (esp. adult adhd cases, where childhood symptoms were not obvious) are nothing like that. I think this is where the idea of it being a phenotype comes in, for the mild/moderate ADHD cases.

sudosysgen 3y ago
There are studies showing a large impact to life expectancy for peopke with ADHD. It is too large to be consistent for the vast majority of people having minimal to no impairment. Indeed, having ADHD that persists into adulthood leads to an average drop in life expectancy of almost 13 years. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30526189/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30526189/ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)61684-6/abstract https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... Even for those who can function in society, ADHD causes greatly increased rates of major depression, suicide, addiction, and accidental death.
Yizahi 3y ago
Is having a chronic rhinitis, or diabetes, or deafness, a block to function in a modern society? No, thousands are living with them mostly normal daily lives. Are they illnesses? Yes definitely, and we treat them with meds issued by doctors. Same with ADHD - it an illness and should be treated as such. I likely have undiagnosed ADHD. I'm ill. I need and want treatment (just afraid because of that same ADHD). What's the big deal with calling illness an illness or mental health disorder? Me being ill doesn't make me a lesser human like some apologists of "new normal" try to describe. Just like my rhinitis doesn't make me a lesser human. Both are illnesses, no big deal.
- faeriechangling 3y ago
  >What's the big deal with calling illness an illness or mental health disorder? I'm not on medication and have ADHD. You're just essentially calling me disordered, disabled, and untreated. The consequent stigma impacts my social and professional opportunities, and this stigma is justified primarily on the basis that if I just simply hate and disparage who I am enough I might be motivated to take ADHD medications and thus become "better". I dunno, when you call me less orderly than other people, and less able than other people, but I'm not being described a "lesser"? Utter horseshit. I've heard this sort of rhetoric in disability communities many times before but no, being disabled and disordered is a bad thing. That is WHY Russel Barkley likes calling people disabled and disordered - because that give people an impetus to get "Better". I simply an intolerant of people using languages that portrays me as less capable, when autism + ADHD has opened up many doors for me that otherwise would have been closed. It's just fucking unfair and defamatory. If people want to be on meds, go on meds, but I don't see why you have to call me "disordered" in the process.
  - Yizahi 3y ago
    I'm not on medication and maybe have ADHD (undiagnosed). I don't see why I can't be called disordered, because I am. But I completely disagree about some mythical "social stigma". Hell, if I don't know if have it, then other people can't tell it even more. Sure, they may suspect something, but without having proofs or data nobody does it. I literally can't be discriminated on the basis of having ADHD or not having it because it is impossible. What does impact my professional opportunities is this ADHD illness itself. It makes me really bad at things I'm perfectly capable of doing with good quality and in time, but instead I screw up deadlines and my work suffers a lot. I'm not sure if meds help or not (but evidence for other people shows that it do), but I know for sure that people without ADHD lead better lives. Better, without any scary quotes. And I also do want to become better and try to medicate this shitty condition.

faeriechangling 3y ago

Men have shorter lifespan's than women largely due to testosterone, but that doesn't mean men having testosterone is evolutionarily maladaptive. I eye some risks people with ADHD have, like higher risk for STIs. Sure, Russel Barkley things people with ADHD getting STI's makes them "disabled", but evolution gives a bit two thumbs up to people with ADHD having unprotected sex. Barkley then brags treating ADHD will reduce STIs, by you know, reducing the amount of unprotected sex with multiple partners that they're having. If anything listening to Barkley's advice is likely to make the average person less reproductively successful. I don't know, I don't like Barkley and his pro-pharma fan club. It's correct that medicating people with ADHD will profoundly change their behaviour. But I don't see any reason to call the prior way people ADHD people behaved as "disordered" and "a disability" and the new way they behave on stimulants to be curing them of a horrible disease or whatever. That description is not scientific - it's subjective what we do or don't consider a disability or disorder. If you prefer life on addy, good for you, keep using addy. I find the entire way we decide to describe behavioural and neurological differences as disabilities and disorders to just be thinly veiled bigotry often taking the form of self-hatred.