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They elected a freakin' maniac and they're gonna pay a heavy price for that. In Brazil we have a saying "pior que tá não fica", which translates to something l

They elected a freakin' maniac and they're gonna pay a heavy price for that. In Brazil we have a saying "pior que tá não fica", which translates to something like "it cannot get worse than this". Belive me when I say this: it can (and probably will) get worse. It can (and probably will) get SO MUCH worse. We tasted this poison with 4 years of Bolsonaro trying to get away from the establishment. What did we get in return? 700k brazilians died to COVID, we now have a huge anti-vax problem and after the piece of shit lost the election he attempted a COUP. Luckily he's going to jail on the next few months, but the damage is done.

friend_and_foe 3y ago
Did you read the article?
luzojeda 3y ago
The alternative was the economy minister largely responsible of how we got to where we are now. Minister of a president who basically said "you know what I'm out" in 2022 and basically gave the government to said minister.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  > The alternative was the economy minister largely responsible of how we got to where we are now. That's the problem though. It's completely understandable to vote against that. But to have one option to the status quo, and that option is this? It's basically like you have lived beyond your means for a long while and you live in a too big house and the sensible solution might be to get another job, sell the car and move to a smaller place. But see that choice doesn't exist. Your choice is to keep aggregating debt, OR you burn the house down and live in a tent. The problem with very bitter medicine like this is that it risks swinging back the other way just as fast when people become angry enough.
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swarnie 3y ago
We've tested many different ideologies and organisational structures just in the last few hundred years. Currently we have a successful but pretty crappy form of capitalism. Some countries have experimented with Communism, fascism, oligarchy (ism)?), feudalism ect ect. Why not give libertarianism a shot?
- kingofthehill98 3y ago
  >Why not give libertarianism a shot? Because it's capitalism on steroids? Are you not aware of the world we're living in? Every major forest destroyed, countless species exctinct, climate change reaching point of no return, etc. We urgently need to slow down, not speed up.
  - steve_rambo 3y ago
    The most developed countries should show us an example then. I am not Argentinian or from South America at all, but we have the same problems. As long as an average American keeps their consumption levels at more than 10× of ours, I am not listening to what they think we should or shouldn't do. Same for other poor countries, I guess.
    - thworp 3y ago
      That's the spirit. There really is no other way than development. If we try to go back to 19th-century resource consumption and CO2 emissions we also need 19th-century population numbers. If the "degrowth" (a euphemism for poverty and societal collapse) movement got absolute power that will be precisely the result, intentional or not.
  - thworp 3y ago
    This is such a tired argument. The socialist block was, at least by the 1980s, much more wasteful and destructive to the environment than the capitalist world. I encourage you to search for videos like "1980s krakow winter" or "Elbe river GDR" to see a few examples. Then for comparison research when capitalist countries passed their various environmental protection laws. More than that, it's easy to make abstract statements like "we need to slow down", but how do you imagine that could be done? Who decides which sectors need to be frozen and how do we make sure we don't accidentally starve millions of Africans while doing it (look up food self-sufficiency numbers)?
NotASithLord 3y ago
Did you read the article? It’s all about the currency problems and disparate exchange rates that have resulted in the country for the last 20+ years and has nothing to do with the president who’s been there for hardly 2 months. One of his first acts actually tackled that problem by slashing the artificial government exchange rate so that it’s much closer to the true black market rate.
swah 3y ago
Also unlike here in Brazil, from some interviews I felt like all (ok, most) argentinians were rooting that Milei's measures have a positive impact, even people that didn't vote for him. That did strike me as a very mature position.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  > That did strike me as a very mature position. Perhaps. But it might not be the kind of maturity that comes from 40 years of witnessing what politician promises are worth. There are never politicians that ought to be adored.
inglor_cz 3y ago
"700k brazilians died to COVID, we now have a huge anti-vax problem" That sounds like a common world problem, not anything specifically Brazilian. In my country of 11 million (including Ukrainian refugees), we've had 45 thousand deaths. And anywhere where people frequent Facebook, the anti-vax movement thrives. It is not even specifically far-right, a lot of the crowd belongs to the organic green bio-mom milieu. I can't even begin to count all the middle-aged ladies in colourful ethnic clothing who hate vaccines based on very flimsy arguments. The coup thing is fairly unique, though.
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  > The coup thing is fairly unique, though. Not as much. It was heavily inspired by the events in the USA.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    > it was heavily inspired by a Russian-Chinese coalition trying to create a powerbloc in Latin America, and who also pushed for the same thing in the US
    - shp0ngle 3y ago
      Lol Lula da Silva is much more pro-Russia and pro-China than Bolsonaro ever was
      - cassianoleal 3y ago
        Yeah GP seems to have gotten a bit lost in ideology. It's especially interesting since the whole thing with Steve Bannon & co. is pretty widely knwon.
- kingofthehill98 3y ago
  >That sounds like a common world problem, not anything specifically Brazilian. Before the pandemic I personally never saw a single person denying vaccines to their children. Our health system had one of the most successful vaccination programs in the world, we were nearing 100% rates on a country with a scale of continent. Since Bolsonaro our rates are dropping on a very alarming rate and on the streets you see people trash talking vaccines all the time, even solved diseases and infections are returning because of this. And about the 700k deaths, a lot of studies have been published proving that if the piece of shit bought the vaccines earlier hundreds of thousands of lives could've been saved, or if he did not made a public campaign AGAINST the vaccine we could've saved countless lives.
rozularen 3y ago
It's a shame to see people like you taking a stance on the matter without 0 knowledge speaking out emotionally
mparnisari 3y ago
> They elected a freakin' maniac and they're gonna pay a heavy price for that LMAO like the previous twenty years didn't exist eh? Signed: an Argentinian

friend_and_foe 3y ago

Did you read the article?

luzojeda 3y ago

The alternative was the economy minister largely responsible of how we got to where we are now. Minister of a president who basically said "you know what I'm out" in 2022 and basically gave the government to said minister.

alkonaut 3y ago
> The alternative was the economy minister largely responsible of how we got to where we are now. That's the problem though. It's completely understandable to vote against that. But to have one option to the status quo, and that option is this? It's basically like you have lived beyond your means for a long while and you live in a too big house and the sensible solution might be to get another job, sell the car and move to a smaller place. But see that choice doesn't exist. Your choice is to keep aggregating debt, OR you burn the house down and live in a tent. The problem with very bitter medicine like this is that it risks swinging back the other way just as fast when people become angry enough.
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swarnie 3y ago

We've tested many different ideologies and organisational structures just in the last few hundred years. Currently we have a successful but pretty crappy form of capitalism. Some countries have experimented with Communism, fascism, oligarchy (ism)?), feudalism ect ect. Why not give libertarianism a shot?

kingofthehill98 3y ago
>Why not give libertarianism a shot? Because it's capitalism on steroids? Are you not aware of the world we're living in? Every major forest destroyed, countless species exctinct, climate change reaching point of no return, etc. We urgently need to slow down, not speed up.
- steve_rambo 3y ago
  The most developed countries should show us an example then. I am not Argentinian or from South America at all, but we have the same problems. As long as an average American keeps their consumption levels at more than 10× of ours, I am not listening to what they think we should or shouldn't do. Same for other poor countries, I guess.
  - thworp 3y ago
    That's the spirit. There really is no other way than development. If we try to go back to 19th-century resource consumption and CO2 emissions we also need 19th-century population numbers. If the "degrowth" (a euphemism for poverty and societal collapse) movement got absolute power that will be precisely the result, intentional or not.
- thworp 3y ago
  This is such a tired argument. The socialist block was, at least by the 1980s, much more wasteful and destructive to the environment than the capitalist world. I encourage you to search for videos like "1980s krakow winter" or "Elbe river GDR" to see a few examples. Then for comparison research when capitalist countries passed their various environmental protection laws. More than that, it's easy to make abstract statements like "we need to slow down", but how do you imagine that could be done? Who decides which sectors need to be frozen and how do we make sure we don't accidentally starve millions of Africans while doing it (look up food self-sufficiency numbers)?

NotASithLord 3y ago

Did you read the article? It’s all about the currency problems and disparate exchange rates that have resulted in the country for the last 20+ years and has nothing to do with the president who’s been there for hardly 2 months. One of his first acts actually tackled that problem by slashing the artificial government exchange rate so that it’s much closer to the true black market rate.

swah 3y ago

Also unlike here in Brazil, from some interviews I felt like all (ok, most) argentinians were rooting that Milei's measures have a positive impact, even people that didn't vote for him. That did strike me as a very mature position.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
> That did strike me as a very mature position. Perhaps. But it might not be the kind of maturity that comes from 40 years of witnessing what politician promises are worth. There are never politicians that ought to be adored.

inglor_cz 3y ago

"700k brazilians died to COVID, we now have a huge anti-vax problem" That sounds like a common world problem, not anything specifically Brazilian. In my country of 11 million (including Ukrainian refugees), we've had 45 thousand deaths. And anywhere where people frequent Facebook, the anti-vax movement thrives. It is not even specifically far-right, a lot of the crowd belongs to the organic green bio-mom milieu. I can't even begin to count all the middle-aged ladies in colourful ethnic clothing who hate vaccines based on very flimsy arguments. The coup thing is fairly unique, though.

cassianoleal 3y ago
> The coup thing is fairly unique, though. Not as much. It was heavily inspired by the events in the USA.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  > it was heavily inspired by a Russian-Chinese coalition trying to create a powerbloc in Latin America, and who also pushed for the same thing in the US
  - shp0ngle 3y ago
    Lol Lula da Silva is much more pro-Russia and pro-China than Bolsonaro ever was
    - cassianoleal 3y ago
      Yeah GP seems to have gotten a bit lost in ideology. It's especially interesting since the whole thing with Steve Bannon & co. is pretty widely knwon.
kingofthehill98 3y ago
>That sounds like a common world problem, not anything specifically Brazilian. Before the pandemic I personally never saw a single person denying vaccines to their children. Our health system had one of the most successful vaccination programs in the world, we were nearing 100% rates on a country with a scale of continent. Since Bolsonaro our rates are dropping on a very alarming rate and on the streets you see people trash talking vaccines all the time, even solved diseases and infections are returning because of this. And about the 700k deaths, a lot of studies have been published proving that if the piece of shit bought the vaccines earlier hundreds of thousands of lives could've been saved, or if he did not made a public campaign AGAINST the vaccine we could've saved countless lives.

rozularen 3y ago

It's a shame to see people like you taking a stance on the matter without 0 knowledge speaking out emotionally

mparnisari 3y ago

> They elected a freakin' maniac and they're gonna pay a heavy price for that LMAO like the previous twenty years didn't exist eh? Signed: an Argentinian