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Musk is the MVP MVP Minimum Viable Product Most Valued Player. All of his projects have stalled at a middle ground where they are profitable. Boring Company

Musk is the MVP MVP Minimum Viable Product Most Valued Player. All of his projects have stalled at a middle ground where they are profitable. Boring Company is actually just Boring. No Hyperloops. Tesla isnt producing enough cars to really lower the barrier to entry for electrics. Makes a desirable luxury car tho. Space X has nailed the orbital supply industry, but its space exploration days are still far in the future. Starlink is an amazing tool for rural areas but has very predictable congestion issues when pointed at urban areas. Planned upgrades will reduce the networks redundancy as he slots in larger middle man nodes. Even then, theres only so much you can do. Before a musk fanboy comes in here and says he is a futurist a lot of his hard firm dates were years that sounded like "2017".

snovv_crash 3y ago
That sounds like some serious "aim for the stars and you'll only hit the moon" kind of problem. Every major auto manufacturer is scrambling to build an EV because Tesla left them sitting without any potential market in 5-10 years if they don't. Tesla's goal, stated clearly from the beginning, was to accelerate the adoption of electric vehicles. In this it has definitely succeeded. Yeah, it hasn't moved downmarket as quickly as people hoped. But as long as the more expensive models are being sold faster than produced, that's a capitalism problem not a Tesla problem. SpaceX launches more commercial payloads than every other launch provider combined. They are investing heavily in next-gen launch capability despite being blocked by lots of red tape for environmental issues tha, a few miles away over the border, nobody cares about. Starlink - what exactly did you expect here? It was never going to compete with urban FTTH. Boring company - yeah not sure what you expected either. IMO this is more about having something that can build habitats on Mars. Hyperloop works on Mars without active vacuum systems or airtight sealing. And no I'm not a fanboy. I think he's very anti-labour for example, which isn't the way to build a stable society. But from a tech standpoint I don't think these are valid criticisms.
- sparrowInHand 3y ago
  Yes you are. And the problem with musk, is that we have one guy. We could have, with a normal, not oligarchy concentrated enconomy, several Elons in competition. What he does, used to be the normal thing, if you were enterprising.
  - snovv_crash 3y ago
    I agree this used to be more normal, but I disagree with the fact that it isn't normal anymore somehow being his fault. There are plenty of people who made more money than him in the dot-com booms and just whittered the money away on building Facebook for Cats or some zero-commercial-application deep tech project nobody will ever hear about. In the end we wouldn't be talking about him if the Falcon 1 had a single additional failed launch.
  - hersko 3y ago
    > And the problem with musk, is that we have one guy. What does this even mean? Everyone is only one guy?
inemesitaffia 3y ago
Starlink? It was always aimed at the Rural markets. Have you seen anything official claiming otherwise? You know there's a launch/hiring video in Seattle from ages ago? Middle man nodes? Do you know how satellite Internet works at all?

snovv_crash 3y ago

That sounds like some serious "aim for the stars and you'll only hit the moon" kind of problem. Every major auto manufacturer is scrambling to build an EV because Tesla left them sitting without any potential market in 5-10 years if they don't. Tesla's goal, stated clearly from the beginning, was to accelerate the adoption of electric vehicles. In this it has definitely succeeded. Yeah, it hasn't moved downmarket as quickly as people hoped. But as long as the more expensive models are being sold faster than produced, that's a capitalism problem not a Tesla problem. SpaceX launches more commercial payloads than every other launch provider combined. They are investing heavily in next-gen launch capability despite being blocked by lots of red tape for environmental issues tha, a few miles away over the border, nobody cares about. Starlink - what exactly did you expect here? It was never going to compete with urban FTTH. Boring company - yeah not sure what you expected either. IMO this is more about having something that can build habitats on Mars. Hyperloop works on Mars without active vacuum systems or airtight sealing. And no I'm not a fanboy. I think he's very anti-labour for example, which isn't the way to build a stable society. But from a tech standpoint I don't think these are valid criticisms.

sparrowInHand 3y ago
Yes you are. And the problem with musk, is that we have one guy. We could have, with a normal, not oligarchy concentrated enconomy, several Elons in competition. What he does, used to be the normal thing, if you were enterprising.
- snovv_crash 3y ago
  I agree this used to be more normal, but I disagree with the fact that it isn't normal anymore somehow being his fault. There are plenty of people who made more money than him in the dot-com booms and just whittered the money away on building Facebook for Cats or some zero-commercial-application deep tech project nobody will ever hear about. In the end we wouldn't be talking about him if the Falcon 1 had a single additional failed launch.
- hersko 3y ago
  > And the problem with musk, is that we have one guy. What does this even mean? Everyone is only one guy?

inemesitaffia 3y ago

Starlink? It was always aimed at the Rural markets. Have you seen anything official claiming otherwise? You know there's a launch/hiring video in Seattle from ages ago? Middle man nodes? Do you know how satellite Internet works at all?