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Are you familiar with Mars Direct? I don’t think any current plans to go to Mars envision bringing all their return fuel with them to Mars orbit (much less to t

by nickff 3y ago

Are you familiar with Mars Direct? I don’t think any current plans to go to Mars envision bringing all their return fuel with them to Mars orbit (much less to the surface).

Fred34 3y ago
I haven't heard of Mars Direct, but from reading the link you gave me it sounds like a plan to start automated fuel production plants on mars to make fuel for trips back to earth. It requires the transportation of a small nuclear power-plant to mars as well as hydrogen to synthesize methane from the carbon dioxide already in the atmosphere. Off the bat I would say that hydrogen would be a pain to transport to mars (hydrogen has a high energy density by weight but not by volume) but don't know much else to think about the project.
- oroup 3y ago
  More recent versions of the plan contemplate electrolyzing water in the ground to obtain the required oxygen
  - Fred34 3y ago
    Electrolyzing water would also give hydrogen which would make the transpiration of materials easier. I’m guessing that it would require a large amount of electricity to get enough hydrogen/oxygen from the water (they really would need a miniature nuclear reactor). Edit: for my last comment (which I can’t edit now) I meant to say that hydrogen has a high energy content by mass but not by volume. So 1kg of the stuff has a huge amount of energy but also takes up a lot of physical space.
Animats 3y ago
NASA and DARPA have been funding studies for a new generation of fission-powered rockets.[1][2] They talk about launching a demo in 2027. BWXT (good old Babcock and Wilcox, makers of hundreds of submarine nuclear power plants) and Lockheed-Martin are the primary contractors.[3] But the big bucks are still going into the Senate Launch System. [1] https://www.nasa.gov/tdm/space-nuclear-propulsion/ https://www.nasa.gov/tdm/space-nuclear-propulsion/ [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNnsnyIvzps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNnsnyIvzps [3] https://www.bwxt.com/what-we-do/advanced-technologies/space-nuclear-propulsion https://www.bwxt.com/what-we-do/advanced-technologies/space-...

by nickff 3y ago

Are you familiar with Mars Direct? I don’t think any current plans to go to Mars envision bringing all their return fuel with them to Mars orbit (much less to the surface).

Fred34 3y ago

I haven't heard of Mars Direct, but from reading the link you gave me it sounds like a plan to start automated fuel production plants on mars to make fuel for trips back to earth. It requires the transportation of a small nuclear power-plant to mars as well as hydrogen to synthesize methane from the carbon dioxide already in the atmosphere. Off the bat I would say that hydrogen would be a pain to transport to mars (hydrogen has a high energy density by weight but not by volume) but don't know much else to think about the project.

oroup 3y ago
More recent versions of the plan contemplate electrolyzing water in the ground to obtain the required oxygen
- Fred34 3y ago
  Electrolyzing water would also give hydrogen which would make the transpiration of materials easier. I’m guessing that it would require a large amount of electricity to get enough hydrogen/oxygen from the water (they really would need a miniature nuclear reactor). Edit: for my last comment (which I can’t edit now) I meant to say that hydrogen has a high energy content by mass but not by volume. So 1kg of the stuff has a huge amount of energy but also takes up a lot of physical space.

Animats 3y ago

NASA and DARPA have been funding studies for a new generation of fission-powered rockets.[1][2] They talk about launching a demo in 2027. BWXT (good old Babcock and Wilcox, makers of hundreds of submarine nuclear power plants) and Lockheed-Martin are the primary contractors.[3] But the big bucks are still going into the Senate Launch System. [1] https://www.nasa.gov/tdm/space-nuclear-propulsion/ https://www.nasa.gov/tdm/space-nuclear-propulsion/ [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNnsnyIvzps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNnsnyIvzps [3] https://www.bwxt.com/what-we-do/advanced-technologies/space-nuclear-propulsion https://www.bwxt.com/what-we-do/advanced-technologies/space-...