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There are "universal scaler" boards which are free of this "smartness" and yet have a tuner and other multimedia features you'd want in a TV, and are also quite
by userbinator 3y ago
There are "universal scaler" boards which are free of this "smartness" and yet have a tuner and other multimedia features you'd want in a TV, and are also quite cheap:
https://mysku.club/blog/aliexpress/67872.html https://mysku.club/blog/aliexpress/67872.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20190511065920/http://redlightgreen.org/2019/01/obzor-universalnogo-skalera-s-dvb-t2-ds-d3663lua http://web.archive.org/web/20190511065920/http://redlightgre... (translation of above into English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tst5Xmh3q-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tst5Xmh3q-A
I wonder how popular a service for "upgrading" TVs with those would be. Market it as "spyware delete" and I suspect you might get a lot of business... possibly to the point of causing the manufacturers to take offensive action.
- Mistletoe 3y agoCan't you just not connect it to the internet? I prefer Microsoft to spy on me on my Xbox.
- colechristensen 3y agoIn the days of 5G this is no longer a guarantee. I don’t know if any tvs include this kind of thing yet but 5G modems and service are cheap enough for devices to not need your network to phone home.
- KerrAvon 3y agoThis is a worry, but (a) so far it’s still in the future (b) 5G coverage is not complete enough in residential areas, at least in America. Many houses have extremely poor cell service.
- colechristensen 3y agoA press release from AT&T boasting about 5G IoT progress https://about.att.com/blogs/2023/5g-redcap.html https://about.att.com/blogs/2023/5g-redcap.html
- CompuHacker 3y agoCustomers of various smart television brands have, over the past few years, reported that their newly acquired television will, given power, connect to nearby open wireless networks without user intervention or permission.
- irrational 3y agoAny device that connects to my wireless network is not able to do anything until I go into an app on my phone and manually move it to an account that will give it access. Fortunately, there are no other open networks within range.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y agoYou should still put a password on your Wi-Fi network to encrypt your traffic.
- throw0101c 3y agoWPA3 allows for non-password protected but still having encryption: * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8110 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8110 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunistic_Wireless_Encryption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunistic_Wireless_Encrypt... * https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/security#Wi-FiEnhancedOpen https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/security#Wi-FiEnhancedO... * https://www.wi-fi.org/wi-fi-download/35331 https://www.wi-fi.org/wi-fi-download/35331 (PDF)
- avidiax 3y agoIs this actually widely implemented in WiFi clients and APs? I have never seen the "Enhanced open" indication in Android.
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- neodymiumphish 3y ago
- KerrAvon 3y agoYes, with LG, you can apparently still avoid connecting it with recent models, which gives you have effectively a dumb monitor with (for OLED) a glorious picture. Can’t vouch for other makes.
- vladvasiliu 3y agoTCL is the same. It will only show a popup when turned on to tell you you're not connected to the internet, but it goes away after a few seconds and then it's smooth sailing. It remembers and selects the previous input when turned on, and it also seems to do input auto-switching when I turn on my set-top box. After I've configured the image parameters and whatnot, I never touched its remote anymore.
- boobsbr 3y agoI hate the UI on my LG TV. I want to play a video game, or connect my laptop to it. The input is already set to the correct HDMI port from previous usage, and it has a video signal on it. When turned on, the TV still displays an app selection bar a the bottom that never goes away. Also, I can't tweak the colors, only choose from a few presets. And color calibration is terrible, vivid yellows become some weird color.
- genuine_smiles 3y agoWhich model? My LG C2 had none of these issues. It also hasn’t been connected to Wi-Fi in a year, so maybe it’s an issue with the latest software.
- boobsbr 3y ago55UJ630V from 2018. Did a coulpe of updates several years ago, but I got worried it woud install an update with ads, so I turned off automatic updates. But it kept pestering me, so I unplugged the Ethernet cable and bought a Fire Stick. Now I'm getting automatic trailers on the Fire Stick when it boots up.
- 3y ago
- magnetowasright 3y agoIf it were as simple as just not connecting to the internet as is often suggested, I'd have done that already! Also yeah, it can be a bit of diminishing returns on the privacy front when it comes to the things we do use to drive our media consumption haha Go find a TV a few years old with android or whatever 'smart' OS on it and tell me how long it takes to boot and be meaningfully interacted with (like opening an app, like the TV app). What about how many times it randomly reboots in the span of an hour and loses all configuration including selected time and time zone configuration which in the case of a TV renders the electronic program guide literally unable to function (oddly specific, but bear with me...) or how many really weird bugs you run into like the top of the line Samsung 'smart' TV I once borrowed (which did lose time and time zone setting when it rebooted) where when you tried to set the time or time zone, it would set the time an hour or two wrong in a completely unpredictable pattern. Using it felt like I was living in The Good Place when Eleanor was making it all topsy-turvy, I swear I was so lucky that I found a 4K TV with a big enough screen with absolutely NO 'smart' features. None. It has what appears to be the same firmware as the old cheapo 720p TV I got to replace my old faux wood panelled thing that was so old it needed a chain of adapters to run a PlayStation (1). The EPG just ...works. Not that I watch TV any more; it's always on HDMI. It boots up in seconds. It doesn't randomly restart. I don't have to tell it to not connect to the internet cos it doesn't know that the internet exists! Glorious. I might also have a chance in hell of repairing it if (fine, when) it does die. I'll have saved up enough by that point to afford one of those big screens meant for advertising displays or whatever that doesn't even have a TV tuner either lol. Please excuse my light hearted rant on the plight of my OECD nation problem (it's a real burden /s), but temporarily borrowing a 'smart' TV drastically reduced how much I watched and played because it was TORTUROUS to just get the stupid thing to turn on and show the HDMI1 input. I really do mean torturous. The extra privacy that comes with not having an internet TV is obviously a bonus, but I run all my media off my laptop anyway (I use my consoles for games only). I just don't want software like that existing on a device where all it does is cause complications that just don't need to exist (for me). The built-in obsolescence of these TV OSes is just awful. If it were as simple as just not giving it access to the internet (ignoring the general availability of open wifi or the potential of 4/5G shipping with the TV itself so it can always phone home anyway) I'd love that and I'd do that but good lord I will stop having a TV before I use a 'smart' TV ever again.
- notaustinpowers 3y agoMy uncle recently got a smart TV (cuz it was on sale) but never uses the "smart" features, so as I was setting it up I declined to connect it to his wifi. The TV only showed the cable channels; trying to switch to HDMI, open the menu to change settings, etc were all locked out unless you logged onto a wifi network.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y agoI assure you that the % of people that care about this to the degree that they’d go this far off the beaten track is far from being large enough for any TV manufacturer to care about, let alone for it to be worth it to them to change their product direction in any meaningful way. This is fanfic plain and simple.
- herbst 3y agoI would love to replace the full hardware of my TV(s). Starting times are horrible, it's like a bad joke where I wait up to 2 minutes to boot into netflix (boot horrible half smart OS, that boots into the MiTV stick (which sucks, and crashes) just to have a normal Netflix experience. You cannot control external speakers with the remote. They literally didn't put that in for their speaker output. My full android TV is not better either, boots forever. Recently started to do HDMI only in BW until I factory reset it. I mostly use it with a Linux computer as that's less painful. And the newest fun is that the remotes have constant connection issues on both TVs if they are more than 2 meters away. Which, why wouldn't it, blocks the whole screen until reconnected. TVs at this point are literally the worst customer tech products I could imagine.
- rob74 3y agoMy Android TV (from Sony) has the habit of randomly restarting every so often, most of the time while I'm watching something I don't want to miss of course - no idea if it's doing system updates or just crashing, but even the updates could wait until I turn the TV off? It also has some quirks that appear from time to time (buttons on the remote not working, sound or image not working etc.), then I know it's time to, as the saying goes, try turning it off and on again. And, most annoying of all, sometimes it just randomly "forgets" channels, so I have to do a full channel scan (or restore the channels from a USB stick) to get them back. Since a few weeks, channel 4 is one channel when I press "up" from channel 3 and a different channel when I press "down" from channel 5. I can't even start to imagine a way to implement the channel list that would allow this bug to happen, but it does...
- herbst 3y ago> Since a few weeks, channel 4 is one channel when I press "up" from channel 3 and a different channel when I press "down" from channel 5. I can't even start to imagine a way to implement the channel list that would allow this bug to happen, but it does... And here was me thinking I spend the extra for a Sony on the next TV as they appear to 'more stable'. But well...
- 3y ago
- bb123 3y agoJust buy an Apple TV or similar and never connect the display to the internet.
- noir_lord 3y agoLinux PC but otherwise yeah, I just laughed when TV asked for wifi and then set it to never ask again. It has one job, display pixels, that's it, that's all I want it to do.
- bb123 3y agoYeah 100%. It is just a dumb display. One input. I don't even use the speakers or the remote it came with.
- cesarb 3y ago> It has one job, display pixels, that's it, that's all I want it to do. If that's all it does, it's a monitor, not a TV. A TV has a second job: to directly receive over-the-air (and/or cable) channels. That is, the presence of a tuner is what differentiates a TV from a mere monitor.
- thfuran 3y agoMaybe once, but not so much anymore.
- thfuran 3y agoIs there a way to get decent output for drmed up crap (which is rather a lot of the video content most people want to watch) on Linux these days? Last I heard, you can't get 4k on Netflix and presumably also get the shaft from other streaming providers.
- noir_lord 3y agoPirate Bay (allegedly)
- AndrewKemendo 3y agoJust get a projector
- mamcx 3y agoBut which one? All the good ones I see have also android on them!
- AndrewKemendo 3y agoOne built before 2015