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Margins are so thin that the only money to be made is in ads and tracking.

waynesonfire 3y ago
it's a race to the bottom. if your ad riddled, privacy raping tv isn't free, you'll go out of business. we need legislation.
wincy 3y ago
Yeah, I’m amazed that such a ubiquitous brand is worth a scant 2 billion dollars, or 1/20th of a Twitter.
- Hamuko 3y ago
  That valuation of Twitter was just way too high. Even Twitter is worth like 1/4th of a Twitter.
- TylerE 3y ago
  A brand is only valuable if the brand is valuable. What consumer gives a shit about the Vizio brand? No one says "Oh boy, I'm so happy I bought a Vizio!". It's cheap and nasty and always has been.
  - lupire 3y ago
    The cheap and nasty brand is merging with Wal-Mart.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      Right. What I'm saying is they could slap either the "Vizio" name on any other cheap crap, or slap any other random name on the same TV and the people buying them wouldn't care.
kredd 3y ago
I wonder if there's any way to cause an oversupply of ad information and tracking so data itself would become useless? I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but was thinking in terms of supply and demand. If everyone's data is available for free and everywhere, would that anyhow affect the ad-tech companies?
- dylanowen 3y ago
  For your own advertising there's: https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/
  - kredd 3y ago
    Right, that's mostly for making your data useless, but what I was thinking is like the opposite. Over-supply of real "valuable" data so its value and ad-tech that makes money on tracking becomes semi useless. I have no idea how it would work, just a post-very-heavy-dinner thought.
- lupire 3y ago
  It would kill data brokerage and move the profits to advertisers. It would increase targeted advertising. It might make products cheaper by making ads cheaper, but would probably just lead to more advertising. Selling all the data for $0 does the opposite of what you want. The data is still useful, you're just making it cheaper to acquire.

it's a race to the bottom. if your ad riddled, privacy raping tv isn't free, you'll go out of business. we need legislation.

wincy 3y ago

Yeah, I’m amazed that such a ubiquitous brand is worth a scant 2 billion dollars, or 1/20th of a Twitter.

Hamuko 3y ago
That valuation of Twitter was just way too high. Even Twitter is worth like 1/4th of a Twitter.
TylerE 3y ago
A brand is only valuable if the brand is valuable. What consumer gives a shit about the Vizio brand? No one says "Oh boy, I'm so happy I bought a Vizio!". It's cheap and nasty and always has been.
- lupire 3y ago
  The cheap and nasty brand is merging with Wal-Mart.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    Right. What I'm saying is they could slap either the "Vizio" name on any other cheap crap, or slap any other random name on the same TV and the people buying them wouldn't care.

kredd 3y ago

I wonder if there's any way to cause an oversupply of ad information and tracking so data itself would become useless? I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but was thinking in terms of supply and demand. If everyone's data is available for free and everywhere, would that anyhow affect the ad-tech companies?

dylanowen 3y ago
For your own advertising there's: https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/
- kredd 3y ago
  Right, that's mostly for making your data useless, but what I was thinking is like the opposite. Over-supply of real "valuable" data so its value and ad-tech that makes money on tracking becomes semi useless. I have no idea how it would work, just a post-very-heavy-dinner thought.
lupire 3y ago
It would kill data brokerage and move the profits to advertisers. It would increase targeted advertising. It might make products cheaper by making ads cheaper, but would probably just lead to more advertising. Selling all the data for $0 does the opposite of what you want. The data is still useful, you're just making it cheaper to acquire.