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>issues China may cause ...The misery inflicted into generations of the peoples found under the thumb of Uncle Sam's is almost unimaginable, it's all under wrap

>issues China may cause ...The misery inflicted into generations of the peoples found under the thumb of Uncle Sam's is almost unimaginable, it's all under wraps though Under wraps, and yet here you are talking about it on an American website, seemingly without much fear of repercussions or being censored for it. Is it as easy or welcome to talk about Chinese committed atrocities on Chinese websites?

piva00 3y ago
Under wraps from general American society, yes. Go right now on the streets of your USA city and ask about the atrocities the USA has committed in Latin America, check what % of the people even know about that. My comment about China is meant more in relation to the boogeyman created out of China to push USA's interests, I don't condone authoritarianism at all (it should be pretty clear after I mention a dead relative by the hands of a dictatorship) but I do have very high reservations about whatever the USA pushes for manufacturing consent across the globe, right now it's the China boogeyman. The whole play of the USA is also to keep the veil of a freedoms' paragon as a misdirection for its transgressions, it's layered in misdirection using language such as "defense of freedom", "free market", "business interests" while behaving schizophrenically by supporting dictators who align to its interests (e.g.: Saudi Arabia, multiple dictatorships in Latin America). It's all bullshit. Owning that it's all bullshit won't ever happen, it needs to keep the discourse to keep the façade of a force for good. At least China is more honest, they are dicks, they are ruthless, they can be aggressive, but no one else was misled to believe otherwise. That's not the case with the USA. And my rant over your "whatabout" point ends here.
petsfed 3y ago
The fact that I can freely discuss the fact that my government installs and supports (occasionally very directly) brutally anti-democratic regimes that stand in complete opposition to everything my country claims to stand for, does not somehow negate the fact that my country is doing those things. This isn't a question of "is the US better/worse than China/Russia/etc?". The question is "Is the US living up to its own legend?" I would argue that, based on the activities of the CIA and other arms of the government, the answer is unambiguously "NO". I understand that one of the key ways that e.g. Putin remains acceptable to his population despite being unambiguously a strongman is to basically say "I am no better than any of them, except that I never said I would be".

piva00 3y ago

Under wraps from general American society, yes. Go right now on the streets of your USA city and ask about the atrocities the USA has committed in Latin America, check what % of the people even know about that. My comment about China is meant more in relation to the boogeyman created out of China to push USA's interests, I don't condone authoritarianism at all (it should be pretty clear after I mention a dead relative by the hands of a dictatorship) but I do have very high reservations about whatever the USA pushes for manufacturing consent across the globe, right now it's the China boogeyman. The whole play of the USA is also to keep the veil of a freedoms' paragon as a misdirection for its transgressions, it's layered in misdirection using language such as "defense of freedom", "free market", "business interests" while behaving schizophrenically by supporting dictators who align to its interests (e.g.: Saudi Arabia, multiple dictatorships in Latin America). It's all bullshit. Owning that it's all bullshit won't ever happen, it needs to keep the discourse to keep the façade of a force for good. At least China is more honest, they are dicks, they are ruthless, they can be aggressive, but no one else was misled to believe otherwise. That's not the case with the USA. And my rant over your "whatabout" point ends here.

petsfed 3y ago

The fact that I can freely discuss the fact that my government installs and supports (occasionally very directly) brutally anti-democratic regimes that stand in complete opposition to everything my country claims to stand for, does not somehow negate the fact that my country is doing those things. This isn't a question of "is the US better/worse than China/Russia/etc?". The question is "Is the US living up to its own legend?" I would argue that, based on the activities of the CIA and other arms of the government, the answer is unambiguously "NO". I understand that one of the key ways that e.g. Putin remains acceptable to his population despite being unambiguously a strongman is to basically say "I am no better than any of them, except that I never said I would be".