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If you're at G, you should read the internal docs on exactly how this happens and it will be interesting.

rfoo 3y ago
Why would I lose all data on these SSDs when I initiate a power off of the VM on console, then? I believe local SSDs are definitely attached to the host. They are just not exposed via NVMe ZNS hence the performance hit.
- manquer 3y ago
  It is because on reboot you may not get the same physical server . They are not rebooting the physical server for you , just the VM Same VM is not allocated for a variety of reasons , scheduled maintenance, proximity to other hosts on the vpc , balancing quiet and noisy neighbors so on. It is not that the disk will always wiped , sometimes the data is still there on reboot just that there is no guarantee allowing them to freely move between hosts
  - mr_toad 3y ago
    Data persists between reboots, but not shutdowns: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-instance-reboot.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-inst... https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-instance-lifecycle.html#lifecycle-differences https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-inst...
- res0nat0r 3y ago
  Your EC2 instance with instance-store storage when stopped can be launched on any other random host in the AZ when you power it back on. Since your rootdisk is an EBS volume attached across the network, so when you start your instance back up you're going to be launched likely somewhere else with an empty slot, and empty local-storage. This is why there is always a disclaimer that this local storage is ephemeral and don't count on it being around long-term.
  - mrcarrot 3y ago
    I think the parent was agreeing with you. If the “local” SSDs _weren’t_ actually local, then presumably they wouldn’t need to be ephemeral since they could be connected over the network to whichever host your instance was launched on.
jsolson 3y ago
In most cases, they're physically plugged into a PCIe CEM slot in the host. There is no network in the way, you are either misinformed or thinking of a different product.
seedless-sensat 3y ago
Why are you protecting Google's internal architecture onto to AWS? Your Google mental model is not correct here

rfoo 3y ago

Why would I lose all data on these SSDs when I initiate a power off of the VM on console, then? I believe local SSDs are definitely attached to the host. They are just not exposed via NVMe ZNS hence the performance hit.

manquer 3y ago
It is because on reboot you may not get the same physical server . They are not rebooting the physical server for you , just the VM Same VM is not allocated for a variety of reasons , scheduled maintenance, proximity to other hosts on the vpc , balancing quiet and noisy neighbors so on. It is not that the disk will always wiped , sometimes the data is still there on reboot just that there is no guarantee allowing them to freely move between hosts
- mr_toad 3y ago
  Data persists between reboots, but not shutdowns: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-instance-reboot.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-inst... https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-instance-lifecycle.html#lifecycle-differences https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-inst...
res0nat0r 3y ago
Your EC2 instance with instance-store storage when stopped can be launched on any other random host in the AZ when you power it back on. Since your rootdisk is an EBS volume attached across the network, so when you start your instance back up you're going to be launched likely somewhere else with an empty slot, and empty local-storage. This is why there is always a disclaimer that this local storage is ephemeral and don't count on it being around long-term.
- mrcarrot 3y ago
  I think the parent was agreeing with you. If the “local” SSDs _weren’t_ actually local, then presumably they wouldn’t need to be ephemeral since they could be connected over the network to whichever host your instance was launched on.

jsolson 3y ago

In most cases, they're physically plugged into a PCIe CEM slot in the host. There is no network in the way, you are either misinformed or thinking of a different product.

seedless-sensat 3y ago

Why are you protecting Google's internal architecture onto to AWS? Your Google mental model is not correct here