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It seems a lot of people go in to consultancy and start their own business under the Dutch American Friendship Treaty. If you're quick about it you can start a

It seems a lot of people go in to consultancy and start their own business under the Dutch American Friendship Treaty. If you're quick about it you can start a BV in the Netherlands, recruit yourself as director while you're still abroad, and get 30% of your income exempted from tax (until it's killed off). Let me know if you want an accountant referral. The Netherlands is great. Your US taxes will be a pain, form 5471 etc. There's also groups like oysterhr.com, boundlesshq, deel, etc. that act as employer of record. Edit: To explain, the DAFT treaty has a very small investment needed. It has not been raised with inflation. https://ind.nl/en/residence-permits/work/residence-permit-self-employed-person https://ind.nl/en/residence-permits/work/residence-permit-se... """ You invest a lot of money (substantial capital) in your business. The level of this sum depends on the form of your business. For most forms, the IND requires a minimum investment of €4,500. See the rules on substantial capital investment. """

jayvoordemensen 3y ago
How about you have the decency to pay the taxes our hight trust, safe, clean, universal health care providing government needs? Instead of living off of others, raising housing costs and saying 'like' all day long in our once friendly neighborhood bars?
- nyargh 3y ago
  Like, its still a net positive for the dutch taxpayers my dutchbro. Like, your taxpayers didn't have to pay to raise and like educate this person for 12+ years and you get them in their peak economically productive years. And like, even with the tax breaks they're earning high wages in IT and paying plenty in taxes. Like, if your government wasn't Hebben Een Serieus Probleem in the middle of their wildly racist meltdown right now, you could, like, petition them to solve real problems for your countrymen. But like, way eaier to whine on the internet.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  If the Dutch government offers such an arrangement, shouldn’t someone presume they are offering it for a reason that Dutch politicians believe is in the country’s interests? (It reads to me as an arrangement wherein the Netherlands is able to tax 70% of someone’s income who might otherwise become a resident of a different country.)
- CalRobert 3y ago
  For what it's worth I'm often on r/Netherlands pointing out that the 30% ruling is unfair to Dutchies and downvoted to oblivion for saying it. It would be kinda weird to have the 30% ruling available and then get mad at someone for taking it. For what it's worth, I think it's insane that people get to claim gigantic, child-crushing Dodge Rams as a business expense and pay almost zero tax, but I don't blame the truck owners, I just think those laws are stupid. If it helps, though, I brought my job here with me, I barely go to bars because I have two young children, I don't say "like" much, and the Netherlands has horrendous demographics and probably benefits from someone who came here with kids, brought a job with them, lives car free, and has a strong desire to integrate. It would help if country built enough housing though. Funny enough, though, my landlords emigrated to my home country (the US), so I guess it's a wash when it comes to housing.
  - jayvoordemensen 3y ago
    Fair points, from other commenters as well. Being a bit too blunt here maybe. But still: starting a BV, appointing yourself, with the sole purpose of 30% tax reduction may be by the law, but it's also bending the idea of the law. So legal, but moral? It was meant for employees of proper businesses, with offices and other employees, paying taxes like we all do AND hire fine people like yourself. Not for private persons starting one person LLCs. But hey, hoop dat je blijft hangen, wat de wet ook gaat doen.
    - CalRobert 3y ago
      We intend to stay, we moved here so our daughters could bike to school. For what it's worth I briefly had an Irish and a Dutch company but never attempted any base erosion or profit shifting!
alexanderchr 3y ago
It's already part killed off and the way things are going will likely be fully killed soon. Since January 1st it's 30% for 20 months, then 20% for 20 months and finally 20 months of 10%.

jayvoordemensen 3y ago

How about you have the decency to pay the taxes our hight trust, safe, clean, universal health care providing government needs? Instead of living off of others, raising housing costs and saying 'like' all day long in our once friendly neighborhood bars?

nyargh 3y ago
Like, its still a net positive for the dutch taxpayers my dutchbro. Like, your taxpayers didn't have to pay to raise and like educate this person for 12+ years and you get them in their peak economically productive years. And like, even with the tax breaks they're earning high wages in IT and paying plenty in taxes. Like, if your government wasn't Hebben Een Serieus Probleem in the middle of their wildly racist meltdown right now, you could, like, petition them to solve real problems for your countrymen. But like, way eaier to whine on the internet.
sokoloff 3y ago
If the Dutch government offers such an arrangement, shouldn’t someone presume they are offering it for a reason that Dutch politicians believe is in the country’s interests? (It reads to me as an arrangement wherein the Netherlands is able to tax 70% of someone’s income who might otherwise become a resident of a different country.)
CalRobert 3y ago
For what it's worth I'm often on r/Netherlands pointing out that the 30% ruling is unfair to Dutchies and downvoted to oblivion for saying it. It would be kinda weird to have the 30% ruling available and then get mad at someone for taking it. For what it's worth, I think it's insane that people get to claim gigantic, child-crushing Dodge Rams as a business expense and pay almost zero tax, but I don't blame the truck owners, I just think those laws are stupid. If it helps, though, I brought my job here with me, I barely go to bars because I have two young children, I don't say "like" much, and the Netherlands has horrendous demographics and probably benefits from someone who came here with kids, brought a job with them, lives car free, and has a strong desire to integrate. It would help if country built enough housing though. Funny enough, though, my landlords emigrated to my home country (the US), so I guess it's a wash when it comes to housing.
- jayvoordemensen 3y ago
  Fair points, from other commenters as well. Being a bit too blunt here maybe. But still: starting a BV, appointing yourself, with the sole purpose of 30% tax reduction may be by the law, but it's also bending the idea of the law. So legal, but moral? It was meant for employees of proper businesses, with offices and other employees, paying taxes like we all do AND hire fine people like yourself. Not for private persons starting one person LLCs. But hey, hoop dat je blijft hangen, wat de wet ook gaat doen.
  - CalRobert 3y ago
    We intend to stay, we moved here so our daughters could bike to school. For what it's worth I briefly had an Irish and a Dutch company but never attempted any base erosion or profit shifting!

alexanderchr 3y ago

It's already part killed off and the way things are going will likely be fully killed soon. Since January 1st it's 30% for 20 months, then 20% for 20 months and finally 20 months of 10%.