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I feel like we're talking past each other here. What I'm saying is that it's hard to tell if the usary limits actually provide a benefit to the borrowers. And

I feel like we're talking past each other here. What I'm saying is that it's hard to tell if the usary limits actually provide a benefit to the borrowers. And I'm discussing the topics related to figuring out if they do or don't. And what you appear to be saying is that we need those limits because we've always had those limits, and because limits are good. And that the limits don't limit people because secured credit cards exist. Which doesn't really speak to the question I was trying to raise... of whether or not those usary limits provide the benefits they are supposed to.

b112 3y ago
Well I'm also saying that those limits exist because of historical reasons, and those reasons were derived from issues in the past, and we should examine that context, and logic for those laws, before questioning if we need usury laws. Why? Because they've done a lot of research, and there was lead up, there were issues, that caused those laws to exist. Study that, before we ponder is what I say.
- RHSeeger 3y ago
  > Well I'm also saying that those limits exist because of historical reasons, and those reasons were derived from issues in the past, and we should examine that context, and logic for those laws, before questioning if we need usury laws. Yes, I understand and agree with the concept of Chesterton's Fence. And examining that context and the logic for those laws is precisely what I'm trying to do here.