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Those are not significant sources of emissions. All air travel, including commercial and private and goods transportation, is 1.9% of global emissions. All sea

Those are not significant sources of emissions. All air travel, including commercial and private and goods transportation, is 1.9% of global emissions. All sea travel, including commercial and private and goods transportation, is 1.7%. Road travel is 11.9%.[1] Of that, more than half is personal transportation vehicles (i.e. not freight)[2]. This is why personal vehicles are the #1 target for transportation-related improvements. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/images/published/Emissions-by-sector-%E2%80%93-pie-charts_1302.webp https://ourworldindata.org/images/published/Emissions-by-sec... [2] https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/transport-sector-co2-emissions-by-mode-in-the-sustainable-development-scenario-2000-2030 https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/transport-sec...

timbit42 3y ago
What percent will private jets be once everyone is driving EVs?
- coldpie 3y ago
  I don't have numbers, but I would guess still pretty tiny. There just aren't a lot of private jets out there, compared to other forms of transport. If your goal is to reduce emissions quickly, it makes sense to target the largest sources first, and I don't think private jets will be near the top of the emissions list for a long time.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    But we're already targeting the 3 biggest sources: the EV transition has started, the renewable energy transition has started, and the heat pump heating transition has started. Agriculture is the only remaining biggie. After the big 4 the next biggest are all in the 1-3% range -- stuff like cement, steel, fertilizer and jets. IOW, jets are near the top of the list now, tied for second after agriculture.
    - coldpie 3y ago
      I'm skeptical private jets are in the 1-3% range, even after the EV and grid conversions are complete, but I would love to see some sources if you have any! It's not something I've looked into.
ejb999 3y ago
The math doesn't matter - tell the poor and middle class they can no longer buy a gas lawnmower or gas stove, but the rich can own 5 mansions, multiple private jets and 400' yachts (all of which damage the environment way more than the average poor or middle class person does), then people will push back - and rightly so. Its hard to sell a 'climate emergency' when the people pushing it the hardest (i.e. Gates) are the worst polluters. If there really is a climate emergency, then everything should be on the table - you know, shared sacrifice and all - otherwise it just stinks of the rich faking a climate emergency so they can get richer. See the '$50 trillion dollar opportunity' that has the Davo's elite salivating on how to make themselves even richer: https://www.dw.com/en/davos-green-transition-is-50-trillion-investment-opportunity/a-56375018 https://www.dw.com/en/davos-green-transition-is-50-trillion-... and btw, these Davo's elites pushing for this '$50 trillion opportunity', by scaring the public about the 'climate emergency', by and large all flew to Davos in their private jets.
- coldpie 3y ago
  Sure, I'm 100% in favor of a wealth tax/cap, but I think that's going to be a lot less effective at lowering emissions than targeting the biggest sources of emissions.
  - ejb999 3y ago
    but to me, its not about the actual emissions (which you are correct about in absolute terms) - its about selling the message to the average Joe who is being asked to make a sacrifice that the people who are pushing the message, are not being asked to do. Side story: during Covid, teachers at a local school wanted mandates for all the students (the people least at risk of actually getting very sick), but they pushed very hard not to have to get it themselves - i.e. they wanted all the benefits of having a vaccinated population around them, but they were unwilling to take the risk on themselves (they lost this battle btw) Not to conflate the issues, but its the same principle - don't make me(the public) do something that you (the ones in charge) are not willing to do yourself.
    - coldpie 3y ago

timbit42 3y ago

What percent will private jets be once everyone is driving EVs?

coldpie 3y ago
I don't have numbers, but I would guess still pretty tiny. There just aren't a lot of private jets out there, compared to other forms of transport. If your goal is to reduce emissions quickly, it makes sense to target the largest sources first, and I don't think private jets will be near the top of the emissions list for a long time.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  But we're already targeting the 3 biggest sources: the EV transition has started, the renewable energy transition has started, and the heat pump heating transition has started. Agriculture is the only remaining biggie. After the big 4 the next biggest are all in the 1-3% range -- stuff like cement, steel, fertilizer and jets. IOW, jets are near the top of the list now, tied for second after agriculture.
  - coldpie 3y ago
    I'm skeptical private jets are in the 1-3% range, even after the EV and grid conversions are complete, but I would love to see some sources if you have any! It's not something I've looked into.

ejb999 3y ago

The math doesn't matter - tell the poor and middle class they can no longer buy a gas lawnmower or gas stove, but the rich can own 5 mansions, multiple private jets and 400' yachts (all of which damage the environment way more than the average poor or middle class person does), then people will push back - and rightly so. Its hard to sell a 'climate emergency' when the people pushing it the hardest (i.e. Gates) are the worst polluters. If there really is a climate emergency, then everything should be on the table - you know, shared sacrifice and all - otherwise it just stinks of the rich faking a climate emergency so they can get richer. See the '$50 trillion dollar opportunity' that has the Davo's elite salivating on how to make themselves even richer: https://www.dw.com/en/davos-green-transition-is-50-trillion-investment-opportunity/a-56375018 https://www.dw.com/en/davos-green-transition-is-50-trillion-... and btw, these Davo's elites pushing for this '$50 trillion opportunity', by scaring the public about the 'climate emergency', by and large all flew to Davos in their private jets.

coldpie 3y ago
Sure, I'm 100% in favor of a wealth tax/cap, but I think that's going to be a lot less effective at lowering emissions than targeting the biggest sources of emissions.
- ejb999 3y ago
  but to me, its not about the actual emissions (which you are correct about in absolute terms) - its about selling the message to the average Joe who is being asked to make a sacrifice that the people who are pushing the message, are not being asked to do. Side story: during Covid, teachers at a local school wanted mandates for all the students (the people least at risk of actually getting very sick), but they pushed very hard not to have to get it themselves - i.e. they wanted all the benefits of having a vaccinated population around them, but they were unwilling to take the risk on themselves (they lost this battle btw) Not to conflate the issues, but its the same principle - don't make me(the public) do something that you (the ones in charge) are not willing to do yourself.
  - coldpie 3y ago