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Posting jobs the company has no intention of filling should be considered felony fraud and prosecuted as such. It'll only take a couple of prosecutions before H

Posting jobs the company has no intention of filling should be considered felony fraud and prosecuted as such. It'll only take a couple of prosecutions before HR and hiring managers lose interest in playing that game. You don't even have to make the definition expansive; it can be narrowly focused, and most will still be unwilling to take the risk as whatever benefit they're currently receiving from it is magnitudes smaller than what they're stealing from candidates. For those who think that's a bit excessive, consider the value of the cumulative time wasted by job applicants for positions that don't exist. If you embezzled that much money from your employer, it would be a felony. If an employer does it to job candidates, it's all honky-dory. It doesn't matter if the value to the employer was small, the value stolen was large.

pjc50 3y ago
Absolutely impossible to prove, though. It's really just in the same category as phishing/spam. (AI will of course make this worse on both sides)
gdulli 3y ago
And in this scenario is it also a felony for applicants to interview for jobs they have no intention of taking? Consider the value of the cumulative time wasted by employers.
- milesvp 3y ago
  Employers can afford to waste time. It’s their business. There has always been an asymmetry between employment seekers and employment offerers. It’s rare that a company will lose it’s lease when a job interview turns out to be a waste of time. But homelessness can be a real outcome for a seeker.
  - gdulli 3y ago
    Bill Gates can afford to be stolen from. But the legal system operates on principles, not vibes.
    - milesvp 3y ago
      No, the legal system operates from what we decide it to. More importantly one of it’s roles is to help alleviate assymmetries of power, any use that does the opposite, I would argue, is a form of corruption. Now, someday labor may have more power than capital, and on that day I will make arguments siding with capital in this context. Also it is a very bad faith argument to equate poor interviewing etiquette with theft of property.
      - gdulli 3y ago
        > No, the legal system operates from what we decide it to. Okay, so let's not decide that hiring managers should go on trial to prove the reason they didn't interview anyone for a job is not felony fraud but because they got busy, priorities changed, the right candidates didn't apply, they lost the budget for the position, etc. Morality about the power imbalance aside, it's wholly impractical to consider it punishable. There are many benign reasons you might place a job ad and move on from it, just like you might get on a dating app and not respond to anyone. It sucks, but we the rejected can't be so fragile that we do anything but consider it a bummer and move on.

pjc50 3y ago

Absolutely impossible to prove, though. It's really just in the same category as phishing/spam. (AI will of course make this worse on both sides)

gdulli 3y ago

And in this scenario is it also a felony for applicants to interview for jobs they have no intention of taking? Consider the value of the cumulative time wasted by employers.

milesvp 3y ago
Employers can afford to waste time. It’s their business. There has always been an asymmetry between employment seekers and employment offerers. It’s rare that a company will lose it’s lease when a job interview turns out to be a waste of time. But homelessness can be a real outcome for a seeker.
- gdulli 3y ago
  Bill Gates can afford to be stolen from. But the legal system operates on principles, not vibes.
  - milesvp 3y ago
    No, the legal system operates from what we decide it to. More importantly one of it’s roles is to help alleviate assymmetries of power, any use that does the opposite, I would argue, is a form of corruption. Now, someday labor may have more power than capital, and on that day I will make arguments siding with capital in this context. Also it is a very bad faith argument to equate poor interviewing etiquette with theft of property.
    - gdulli 3y ago
      > No, the legal system operates from what we decide it to. Okay, so let's not decide that hiring managers should go on trial to prove the reason they didn't interview anyone for a job is not felony fraud but because they got busy, priorities changed, the right candidates didn't apply, they lost the budget for the position, etc. Morality about the power imbalance aside, it's wholly impractical to consider it punishable. There are many benign reasons you might place a job ad and move on from it, just like you might get on a dating app and not respond to anyone. It sucks, but we the rejected can't be so fragile that we do anything but consider it a bummer and move on.