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It's so funny that every HN post on this topic produces more and more contrived reasons for why having less choice is better, actually. Today: my parents need t

It's so funny that every HN post on this topic produces more and more contrived reasons for why having less choice is better, actually. Today: my parents need to be coddled like children, so you don't get to install a new browser. It's only because Apple's legal wrangling failed that Android even exists today.

dwighttk 3y ago
You do get to install a new browser, on a platform you’d prefer, one that is open and supports choice, go over there.
- devnullbrain 3y ago
  No. Follow the law.
  - dwighttk 3y ago
    Thankfully it is only a bad law in the European Union.
    - devnullbrain 3y ago
      And it's a good law elsewhere? :) You're also welcome not to buy a phone for your parents. It would be disingenuous for me to suggest you actually do so, because we all make choices under duress or with limited options.
      - dwighttk 3y ago
        If this bad law were to cross the Atlantic I would still buy my parents their phones and deal with the situation. I’m glad I don’t have to while it remains outside the US. And I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it on my own phone, even if I’m better equipped to deal with it. And I’m glad people are still free to change to different browser engines inside the US without the law.
        smoldesu 3y ago
        I'm really sorry that your emotional wellbeing is predicated on the exploitative practice of a multinational company. You should have seen this coming. Bell Telephone didn't get away from litigation for "securing" telecommunications infrastructure under one body. Microsoft didn't foil antitrust litigation for "protecting" users from third-party browsers. Expecting Apple to escape broader antitrust scrutiny is a pipe dream. You should probably plan accordingly.
        dwighttk 3y ago
        What did I say that had anything to do with emotional wellbeing? What did I say that made you think I was unprepared for Apple to have to do this in the US?
        smoldesu 3y ago
        > What did I say that had anything to do with emotional wellbeing? I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it on my own phone > What did I say that made you think I was unprepared for Apple to have to do this in the US? Thankfully it is only a bad law in the European Union
        dwighttk 3y ago
        Oh, your assumptions were wrong
        smoldesu 3y ago
        Oh, well then good! Too many people on this site get far too upset over changes like this. Methinks a lot of them own too much stock and are a bit grumpy about the consequences.
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asadotzler 3y ago
This site stopped being for actual hackers at least 5 years ago, maybe more. These people are the opposite of hackers, literally begging for and defending walled gardens and closed systems. What a joke this community has become over the years.
- gls2ro 3y ago
  Or could it be that the parents of most people who were live on this website 15, or even 10 years ago were not using computers, and the parents of the younger generation on this website are using computers? So maybe people want their parents to avoid getting scammed or having their money stolen from their accounts.
  - dwighttk 3y ago
    Clearly if you aren’t personally capable of auditing an entire OS you deserve the security holes you get. Which sorta makes me wonder why these “actual hackers” even bother to care about iOS.

dwighttk 3y ago

You do get to install a new browser, on a platform you’d prefer, one that is open and supports choice, go over there.

devnullbrain 3y ago
No. Follow the law.
- dwighttk 3y ago
  Thankfully it is only a bad law in the European Union.
  - devnullbrain 3y ago
    And it's a good law elsewhere? :) You're also welcome not to buy a phone for your parents. It would be disingenuous for me to suggest you actually do so, because we all make choices under duress or with limited options.
    - dwighttk 3y ago
      If this bad law were to cross the Atlantic I would still buy my parents their phones and deal with the situation. I’m glad I don’t have to while it remains outside the US. And I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it on my own phone, even if I’m better equipped to deal with it. And I’m glad people are still free to change to different browser engines inside the US without the law.
      - smoldesu 3y ago
        I'm really sorry that your emotional wellbeing is predicated on the exploitative practice of a multinational company. You should have seen this coming. Bell Telephone didn't get away from litigation for "securing" telecommunications infrastructure under one body. Microsoft didn't foil antitrust litigation for "protecting" users from third-party browsers. Expecting Apple to escape broader antitrust scrutiny is a pipe dream. You should probably plan accordingly.
        dwighttk 3y ago
        What did I say that had anything to do with emotional wellbeing? What did I say that made you think I was unprepared for Apple to have to do this in the US?
        smoldesu 3y ago
        > What did I say that had anything to do with emotional wellbeing? I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it on my own phone > What did I say that made you think I was unprepared for Apple to have to do this in the US? Thankfully it is only a bad law in the European Union
        dwighttk 3y ago
        Oh, your assumptions were wrong
        smoldesu 3y ago
        Oh, well then good! Too many people on this site get far too upset over changes like this. Methinks a lot of them own too much stock and are a bit grumpy about the consequences.
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asadotzler 3y ago

This site stopped being for actual hackers at least 5 years ago, maybe more. These people are the opposite of hackers, literally begging for and defending walled gardens and closed systems. What a joke this community has become over the years.

gls2ro 3y ago
Or could it be that the parents of most people who were live on this website 15, or even 10 years ago were not using computers, and the parents of the younger generation on this website are using computers? So maybe people want their parents to avoid getting scammed or having their money stolen from their accounts.
- dwighttk 3y ago
  Clearly if you aren’t personally capable of auditing an entire OS you deserve the security holes you get. Which sorta makes me wonder why these “actual hackers” even bother to care about iOS.