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> "We believe VIZIO’s customer-centric operating system provides great viewing experiences at attractive price points. We also believe it enables a profitable a

> "We believe VIZIO’s customer-centric operating system provides great viewing experiences at attractive price points. We also believe it enables a profitable advertising business that is rapidly scaling,” Customer-centric ad-pumping platform which consumers love. What a great and lovely contradiction.

no_wizard 3y ago
Alot of these ad centric platform moves fund things like the popular free TV apps like Tubi and Freevee. Vizio had an eye on something not dissimilar, and Walmart until 2020 owned Vudu and while that didn't pan out in this space, I think they see this as another avenue in that space to try again, its relatively good business if you can manage it. I'm honestly shocked they didn't buy Roku yet. Not that I like it, but I see their business reasoning here. There's a whole new set of streaming services that are becoming similar to over the air TV delivery in the sense that they're 100% ad supported and Vizio wanted in on that, and I think Walmart does too. Its not only about showing "homescreen" ads, though that itself is a surprisingly burgeoning advertising business. All this is to say, I'm glad I have an Apple TV and I don't put up with any of this. None of my TVs have ever connected to the internet. The next one I buy might just be a monitor made to purpose
- bayindirh 3y ago
  I'm a person who generally prefers to pay money rather than attention and time, but if people really like to be bombed with ads and (mind) seeds planted to their brains, I can't argue. On the other hand, I don't watch "TV". I watch a couple of shows semi-regularly and use my TV as a glorified HDR monitor for movies I own or as a second screen, that's all.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    >but if people really like to be bombed with ads and (mind) seeds planted to their brains, I can't argue. I can argue. The whole point of society is that we can choose to say "no, you can't have/do the thing YOU want because it has externalities that affect everyone else" The advertising economy is corrosive and toxic to society
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      I understand where you're coming from, but neither society nor the people in these societies are black and white. Personally, I know a couple of people who prefer to have ads in YouTube because they like targeted advertisements, and claim that they're informed by them. On the other hand, I'm against advertisement economy as much as you. Lastly, please tell me, how many times society collectively said no to some entities, and how did it went? Backlash is allowed to the point where the tension is relieved and the old thing continues as is, maybe with a different paint job, that's all. Users of an application protesting a company is not the same thing society protesting something against a sector or government. It's very hard to pull the latter one off.
skellera 3y ago
If you own a Vizio, your viewing data is collected and sold to advertisers anyways. They have ACR software running that can recognize any content playing on the tv. Casted, OTA, streaming… they’re all logged and tracked for advertisers. Inscape is their ACR/Ads subsidiary. https://www.inscape.tv/ https://www.inscape.tv/ Other TVs are doing similar things but Vizio pioneered it. That’s how they subsidized their TVs to offer the lowest prices and the rest of the industry followed. Vizio TVs are literally data collection devices.
- gh02t 3y ago
  Do note that you can opt out of ACR and data collection, though who knows what data they are still harvesting anyway. Most/practically all newer TVs are doing it, even e.g. my high end LG. Sadly opting out of this junk is the first thing I do on any TV nowadays, along with sticking it in a locked down VLAN if it's mine.
- jonnycoder 3y ago
  I wrote most of the VIZIO code for consenting and turning on/off the Viewing Data, Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. You can easily toggle that stuff in the settings menu and during the Out-of-box-experience. Last I was there was over a year ago, but VIZIO was one of the first to get in big trouble with the US government due to privacy issues back around 2016 I think? It's on wikipedia if you are curious.

no_wizard 3y ago

Alot of these ad centric platform moves fund things like the popular free TV apps like Tubi and Freevee. Vizio had an eye on something not dissimilar, and Walmart until 2020 owned Vudu and while that didn't pan out in this space, I think they see this as another avenue in that space to try again, its relatively good business if you can manage it. I'm honestly shocked they didn't buy Roku yet. Not that I like it, but I see their business reasoning here. There's a whole new set of streaming services that are becoming similar to over the air TV delivery in the sense that they're 100% ad supported and Vizio wanted in on that, and I think Walmart does too. Its not only about showing "homescreen" ads, though that itself is a surprisingly burgeoning advertising business. All this is to say, I'm glad I have an Apple TV and I don't put up with any of this. None of my TVs have ever connected to the internet. The next one I buy might just be a monitor made to purpose

bayindirh 3y ago
I'm a person who generally prefers to pay money rather than attention and time, but if people really like to be bombed with ads and (mind) seeds planted to their brains, I can't argue. On the other hand, I don't watch "TV". I watch a couple of shows semi-regularly and use my TV as a glorified HDR monitor for movies I own or as a second screen, that's all.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  >but if people really like to be bombed with ads and (mind) seeds planted to their brains, I can't argue. I can argue. The whole point of society is that we can choose to say "no, you can't have/do the thing YOU want because it has externalities that affect everyone else" The advertising economy is corrosive and toxic to society
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    I understand where you're coming from, but neither society nor the people in these societies are black and white. Personally, I know a couple of people who prefer to have ads in YouTube because they like targeted advertisements, and claim that they're informed by them. On the other hand, I'm against advertisement economy as much as you. Lastly, please tell me, how many times society collectively said no to some entities, and how did it went? Backlash is allowed to the point where the tension is relieved and the old thing continues as is, maybe with a different paint job, that's all. Users of an application protesting a company is not the same thing society protesting something against a sector or government. It's very hard to pull the latter one off.

skellera 3y ago

If you own a Vizio, your viewing data is collected and sold to advertisers anyways. They have ACR software running that can recognize any content playing on the tv. Casted, OTA, streaming… they’re all logged and tracked for advertisers. Inscape is their ACR/Ads subsidiary. https://www.inscape.tv/ https://www.inscape.tv/ Other TVs are doing similar things but Vizio pioneered it. That’s how they subsidized their TVs to offer the lowest prices and the rest of the industry followed. Vizio TVs are literally data collection devices.

gh02t 3y ago
Do note that you can opt out of ACR and data collection, though who knows what data they are still harvesting anyway. Most/practically all newer TVs are doing it, even e.g. my high end LG. Sadly opting out of this junk is the first thing I do on any TV nowadays, along with sticking it in a locked down VLAN if it's mine.
jonnycoder 3y ago
I wrote most of the VIZIO code for consenting and turning on/off the Viewing Data, Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. You can easily toggle that stuff in the settings menu and during the Out-of-box-experience. Last I was there was over a year ago, but VIZIO was one of the first to get in big trouble with the US government due to privacy issues back around 2016 I think? It's on wikipedia if you are curious.