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I guess that the FSB has some kind of "kompromat" on fake tony stark?

by drooopy 3y ago

Netcob 3y ago
Why, if just telling him he's a visionary genius works just as well?
beeboobaa 3y ago
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rsynnott 3y ago
So, it's kind of the same as the claims RE Trump; what could the FSB _possibly_ have that would be more embarrassing than the things that they reveal about themselves? I would consider the possibility that these people just find dictatorial strongman posturing appealing; it's a fairly common affliction, unfortunately.
- foverzar 3y ago
  > people just find dictatorial strongman posturing appealing; it's a fairly common affliction, unfortunately. Absolutely nobody finds "dictatorial strongman posturing" appealing and that's not what ever happens IRL. Do you actually unironically believe that those people think like "oh yes, bring me some more of that strong hard dictatorship", rather than simply having completely different insight and experience than you do?
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    Yeah, no, I think for some people I think it really is basically the aesthetics. Notably, there are people who are into _both Putin and Stalin_. Now, ideologically that makes no sense at all, they're not at all close. But they're quite similar aesthetically.
  - archagon 3y ago
    Yes, far more people than I previously realized love "dictatorial strongman posturing," as long as they perceive that the "strongman" is on their side and willing to crush their enemies.
  - drooopy 3y ago
    "Absolutely nobody finds "dictatorial strongman posturing" appealing" (Unfortunately) I personally know so many people who will be voting for extreme far left and right parties in the upcoming European and national elections who unironically idolize "leaders" like putin, maduro, erdogan, orban, bolsonaro, kim jonh un etc and who also think that their leadership style is exactly how a society should be ruled.
hx833001 3y ago
I guess not https://twitter.com/yulia_navalnaya https://twitter.com/yulia_navalnaya
verticalscaler 3y ago
Cool and normal HN at its finest.
red-iron-pine 3y ago
why kompromat? could just be that Puts offered him a better deal. one of the implication from the Panama Papers -- remember those? -- was that Putin's corruption was so deep that he may control so much Russian money and assets he could be the richest man in the world. The Tsar has returned. And money talks to money, game recognize game, dig?
rasz 3y ago
My guess is they told him about https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/16/politics/russia-nuclear-space-weapon-intelligence/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/16/politics/russia-nuclear-s... last year.
- inemesitaffia 3y ago
  I've been looking into this angle. Did they refuse to compensate/protect him?
  - rasz 3y ago
    What Im wondering is would his position with security clearances and DOD contracts obligate him to reveal any information about russian capabilities back to DOD. Would him knowing about it, thru Putin 'friendly' warning/intimidation in 2021, and not passing it along constitute some kind of treason? Hell, Pentagon didnt even know about their meeting until 2023 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/elon-musk-putin-colin-kahl-pentagon-ukraine-starlink-b2397109.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/elon-musk-pu...
    - inemesitaffia 3y ago
      I've still seen no evidence there's been a meeting. Unless it was over zoom or something. SpaceX and Starshield in particular is full of Feds. They are getting whatever data they want. The real question is if they are being paid fair compensation for it and if it's part of something official or adhoc.

I guess that the FSB has some kind of "kompromat" on fake tony stark?

Netcob 3y ago

Why, if just telling him he's a visionary genius works just as well?

beeboobaa 3y ago

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rsynnott 3y ago

So, it's kind of the same as the claims RE Trump; what could the FSB _possibly_ have that would be more embarrassing than the things that they reveal about themselves? I would consider the possibility that these people just find dictatorial strongman posturing appealing; it's a fairly common affliction, unfortunately.

foverzar 3y ago
> people just find dictatorial strongman posturing appealing; it's a fairly common affliction, unfortunately. Absolutely nobody finds "dictatorial strongman posturing" appealing and that's not what ever happens IRL. Do you actually unironically believe that those people think like "oh yes, bring me some more of that strong hard dictatorship", rather than simply having completely different insight and experience than you do?
- rsynnott 3y ago
  Yeah, no, I think for some people I think it really is basically the aesthetics. Notably, there are people who are into _both Putin and Stalin_. Now, ideologically that makes no sense at all, they're not at all close. But they're quite similar aesthetically.
- archagon 3y ago
  Yes, far more people than I previously realized love "dictatorial strongman posturing," as long as they perceive that the "strongman" is on their side and willing to crush their enemies.
- drooopy 3y ago
  "Absolutely nobody finds "dictatorial strongman posturing" appealing" (Unfortunately) I personally know so many people who will be voting for extreme far left and right parties in the upcoming European and national elections who unironically idolize "leaders" like putin, maduro, erdogan, orban, bolsonaro, kim jonh un etc and who also think that their leadership style is exactly how a society should be ruled.

hx833001 3y ago

I guess not https://twitter.com/yulia_navalnaya https://twitter.com/yulia_navalnaya

verticalscaler 3y ago

Cool and normal HN at its finest.

red-iron-pine 3y ago

why kompromat? could just be that Puts offered him a better deal. one of the implication from the Panama Papers -- remember those? -- was that Putin's corruption was so deep that he may control so much Russian money and assets he could be the richest man in the world. The Tsar has returned. And money talks to money, game recognize game, dig?

rasz 3y ago

My guess is they told him about https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/16/politics/russia-nuclear-space-weapon-intelligence/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/16/politics/russia-nuclear-s... last year.

inemesitaffia 3y ago
I've been looking into this angle. Did they refuse to compensate/protect him?
- rasz 3y ago
  What Im wondering is would his position with security clearances and DOD contracts obligate him to reveal any information about russian capabilities back to DOD. Would him knowing about it, thru Putin 'friendly' warning/intimidation in 2021, and not passing it along constitute some kind of treason? Hell, Pentagon didnt even know about their meeting until 2023 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/elon-musk-putin-colin-kahl-pentagon-ukraine-starlink-b2397109.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/elon-musk-pu...
  - inemesitaffia 3y ago
    I've still seen no evidence there's been a meeting. Unless it was over zoom or something. SpaceX and Starshield in particular is full of Feds. They are getting whatever data they want. The real question is if they are being paid fair compensation for it and if it's part of something official or adhoc.