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I’m reminded of when Musk had the Ukrainian sea drones disabled in the middle of an attack because they were using Starlink terminals. He didn’t choose to warn

I’m reminded of when Musk had the Ukrainian sea drones disabled in the middle of an attack because they were using Starlink terminals. He didn’t choose to warn them prior or disable before they launched. He had them disabled after launch so they lost the terminal and the drone. Here he times the suspension at a critical time when she has begun making statements about taking up where her husband left off and she has a lot of world attention. As an historical comparison, even Crassus died trying to increase the power of Rome. He was doing it for his own prestige and power but it was mutual nevertheless. Crassus failed spectacularly and had molten gold poured over his head after his son was killed and legions destroyed. I don’t want Musk’s family to suffer but I would like to see him go to Mars.

newaccount7g 3y ago
Yeah he’s an enemy combatant like Trump. Another country other than US and he’d have been blown up long ago.
thimp 3y ago
I'd like him to leave for Mars. I'm not bothered if he gets there or not...
zpeti 3y ago
Both musk and Walter isaacson have denied that’s what happened. I don’t think there’s definitive proof, but the way you are telling the story makes out like everyone agrees this is what happened, which is simply not true. (Starlink was never even enabled in that area according to musk and isaacson)
- andsoitis 3y ago
  Don’t let facts get in the way of bias!
  - timeon 3y ago
    What facts?
    - andsoitis 3y ago
      It is worth setting your personal distaste of the man aside and try to be objective given the complexity of the issues but also knowing that media and our own bubbles will put a particular slant on things. The motives section on Wikipedia is especially interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Motives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainia... Look, I get it, trust me. When you have a strong hate or distaste for someone, it is easy to start seeing anything they do or not do through a cynical or negative lens. The world is more complicated than that. I try to be more curious and less judgy.
      - Pigalowda 3y ago
        He’s foisting himself into geopolitics and he’s going to be viewed through a lens of jingoism. Do you also try to find context and understand the facets of every geopolitical player? Do you figure the Russian federation needs to invade Ukraine because the western alliance against it has expanded along its border without buffer zones and competing client states? Kim Jong Un has to be brutal because if he isn’t than he’ll lose the great game of palace politics and he and his family will be killed. Israel has to destroy Hamas and Palestinian civilian collateral damage is inconsequential because 10 million people surrounded by hundreds of millions of people who despise them will end just like it did with Hadrian. Hamas has to fight Israel with brutal tactics because the land its people were on is being reclaimed and soon they will all have no place to go but as a diaspora. And after that they will disappear into cultural homogeneity of where they immigrated. You want to give Musk context? He’s a billionaire in the United States who has business ambitions in a major competing power (China). He can’t look too pro American so he supports Russia because his Chinese partners silently support Russia. Musk is deeply interested in himself and acquiring more wealth. He’s not a good guy he just wants to be the world’s first trillionaire outside of the Saudi royalty. In short, he sucks and he’s a greedy ass. Nuance? Context? Pick a side. You’re not a billionaire and you never will be. Musk doesn’t love you.
- once_inc 3y ago
  Starlink wasn't allowed to be enabled in that area due to US military dictates.
once_inc 3y ago
> I’m reminded of when Musk had the Ukrainian sea drones disabled in the middle of an attack because they were using Starlink terminals. The Russian ambassador had contacted him and had told him an attack on Crimea “could lead to a nuclear response,” according to a biography of Mr. Musk by the historian and journalist Walter Isaacson. Please note that the Ukrainian military heavily relies on starlink for communications, and that Musk thus has an outsize influence on the war. So far as is made public, he doesn't generate any profit doing that, and he's been the target of slam pieces at the slightest hickups in service. Musk is far from spotless, but your one-sided viewpoint here is in dire need of nuance.
- nonrandomstring 3y ago
  Last I read that story the Ukrainians simply switched to a different link and successfully re-ran the operation the next day. No nuclear response. Musk was played. Or rather, Elon Musk is playing at games above his pay grade. This is a danger of megalomaniac billionaires. He needs a quiet tap on the shoulder and remind him that his toys can be taken away.
  - foverzar 3y ago
    > No nuclear response. Just because something obscure was bombed and erased in Ukraine (that you don't really care about) instead of shooting Starlink satellites off the sky, doesn't mean there was no response and that it wouldn't trigger a disastrous chain reaction otherwise. > This is a danger of megalomaniac billionaires That is assuming that allowing the use of civilian communications infrastructure for war and high-profile military operations is a norm that should be endorsed, and not just as a megalomanic war profiting as we see with military industrial complex fat purses. > He needs a quiet tap on the shoulder and remind him that his toys can be taken away. Can they? And what exactly would be the legal framework behind this threat?
    - nonrandomstring 3y ago
      > Can they? And what exactly would be the legal framework behind this threat? I think it's already happening/happened. Space-X is "working much more closely with US military from now on" - what exactly that means or what went down you or I will likely never know. But I am not surprised at this turn of events.
inemesitaffia 3y ago
There's a map of where SpaceX provides service. Crimea has never been covered

newaccount7g 3y ago

Yeah he’s an enemy combatant like Trump. Another country other than US and he’d have been blown up long ago.

thimp 3y ago

I'd like him to leave for Mars. I'm not bothered if he gets there or not...

zpeti 3y ago

Both musk and Walter isaacson have denied that’s what happened. I don’t think there’s definitive proof, but the way you are telling the story makes out like everyone agrees this is what happened, which is simply not true. (Starlink was never even enabled in that area according to musk and isaacson)

andsoitis 3y ago
Don’t let facts get in the way of bias!
- timeon 3y ago
  What facts?
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    It is worth setting your personal distaste of the man aside and try to be objective given the complexity of the issues but also knowing that media and our own bubbles will put a particular slant on things. The motives section on Wikipedia is especially interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Motives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainia... Look, I get it, trust me. When you have a strong hate or distaste for someone, it is easy to start seeing anything they do or not do through a cynical or negative lens. The world is more complicated than that. I try to be more curious and less judgy.
    - Pigalowda 3y ago
      He’s foisting himself into geopolitics and he’s going to be viewed through a lens of jingoism. Do you also try to find context and understand the facets of every geopolitical player? Do you figure the Russian federation needs to invade Ukraine because the western alliance against it has expanded along its border without buffer zones and competing client states? Kim Jong Un has to be brutal because if he isn’t than he’ll lose the great game of palace politics and he and his family will be killed. Israel has to destroy Hamas and Palestinian civilian collateral damage is inconsequential because 10 million people surrounded by hundreds of millions of people who despise them will end just like it did with Hadrian. Hamas has to fight Israel with brutal tactics because the land its people were on is being reclaimed and soon they will all have no place to go but as a diaspora. And after that they will disappear into cultural homogeneity of where they immigrated. You want to give Musk context? He’s a billionaire in the United States who has business ambitions in a major competing power (China). He can’t look too pro American so he supports Russia because his Chinese partners silently support Russia. Musk is deeply interested in himself and acquiring more wealth. He’s not a good guy he just wants to be the world’s first trillionaire outside of the Saudi royalty. In short, he sucks and he’s a greedy ass. Nuance? Context? Pick a side. You’re not a billionaire and you never will be. Musk doesn’t love you.
once_inc 3y ago
Starlink wasn't allowed to be enabled in that area due to US military dictates.

once_inc 3y ago

> I’m reminded of when Musk had the Ukrainian sea drones disabled in the middle of an attack because they were using Starlink terminals. The Russian ambassador had contacted him and had told him an attack on Crimea “could lead to a nuclear response,” according to a biography of Mr. Musk by the historian and journalist Walter Isaacson. Please note that the Ukrainian military heavily relies on starlink for communications, and that Musk thus has an outsize influence on the war. So far as is made public, he doesn't generate any profit doing that, and he's been the target of slam pieces at the slightest hickups in service. Musk is far from spotless, but your one-sided viewpoint here is in dire need of nuance.

nonrandomstring 3y ago
Last I read that story the Ukrainians simply switched to a different link and successfully re-ran the operation the next day. No nuclear response. Musk was played. Or rather, Elon Musk is playing at games above his pay grade. This is a danger of megalomaniac billionaires. He needs a quiet tap on the shoulder and remind him that his toys can be taken away.
- foverzar 3y ago
  > No nuclear response. Just because something obscure was bombed and erased in Ukraine (that you don't really care about) instead of shooting Starlink satellites off the sky, doesn't mean there was no response and that it wouldn't trigger a disastrous chain reaction otherwise. > This is a danger of megalomaniac billionaires That is assuming that allowing the use of civilian communications infrastructure for war and high-profile military operations is a norm that should be endorsed, and not just as a megalomanic war profiting as we see with military industrial complex fat purses. > He needs a quiet tap on the shoulder and remind him that his toys can be taken away. Can they? And what exactly would be the legal framework behind this threat?
  - nonrandomstring 3y ago
    > Can they? And what exactly would be the legal framework behind this threat? I think it's already happening/happened. Space-X is "working much more closely with US military from now on" - what exactly that means or what went down you or I will likely never know. But I am not surprised at this turn of events.

inemesitaffia 3y ago

There's a map of where SpaceX provides service. Crimea has never been covered