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Yulia Navalnaya’s X account was suspended
- TrackerFF 3y agoDid she break the X ToS? Did Russian state actors compromise her account? Inside job? EDIT: Or mass reporting / brigading? With the publicity of this, I don't think it will remain suspended for long - unless it turns out she somehow broke some rules...that said, I'd be amazed if she's not under 24/7 electronic surveillance by Russian state.
- timeon 3y agoThis is not first time that it happened on Twitter. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/musk-defends-enabling-turkish-censorship-on-twitter-calling-it-his-choice/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/musk-defends-ena...
- andsoitis 3y agoThere’s a long history of Twitter as well as X complying with government requests to censor information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Twitter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Twitter As a website / company you have to choose between operating within the rules of a jurisdiction or face a complete ban.
- silverquiet 3y agoMy assumption (while knowing dick-all about Twitter's suspension mechanisms) would be a semi-coordinated flagging from a group of users. While it's hard not to notice the rightward tilt of the platform and the recent revelation of the right's fascination with authoritarians like Putin, they don't normally like to do things quite so obvious as banning their ideological opponents. I assume she'll be restored in short order.
- vilunov 3y agoAutomated algorithms based on user-generated flagging or subscribers count is not an excuse for censorship and bans
- zpeti 3y agoIt is an excuse for temporary suspensions which happen all the time and are then restored. It’s probably impossible to do mass moderation any other way.
- The_Colonel 3y agoIt is possible, but it involves hiring, not firing people.
- protomolecule 3y agoFacebook has absolutely no problem with the 'right kind' of censorship.
- TrackerFF 3y agoProbably the most likely answer. But I would also assume that X has some safe-guards for this, when it comes to popular/trending accounts. No doubt it is just a temp suspension until some human has looked at the case, but still - this came JUST after she had a public speech, and is talking against the Russian regime.
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- wzdd 3y ago... controverisal action on current event to ensure X stays in the news?
- fynis 3y agoJust a single day after showing up on the platform. Did she even get to post a single thing? This screams absolute non-sense to me, and for her safety she probably could really use the spotlight of all big platforms.
- andsoitis 3y agoYes she has posted, you can see for yourself: https://twitter.com/yulia_navalnaya https://twitter.com/yulia_navalnaya
- dpkirchner 3y agoFWIW this only lets you see the header of her profile before redirecting you to a sign up page.
- timeon 3y ago> you can see for yourself Actually I can not. Probably not because of this specific user, but Twitter is in saving mode.
- jsnell 3y agoIf it was a newly created account, it seems to make it far more likely that the suspension was done by their normal anti-abuse automation than being targeted.
- Pigalowda 3y agoI’m reminded of when Musk had the Ukrainian sea drones disabled in the middle of an attack because they were using Starlink terminals. He didn’t choose to warn them prior or disable before they launched. He had them disabled after launch so they lost the terminal and the drone. Here he times the suspension at a critical time when she has begun making statements about taking up where her husband left off and she has a lot of world attention. As an historical comparison, even Crassus died trying to increase the power of Rome. He was doing it for his own prestige and power but it was mutual nevertheless. Crassus failed spectacularly and had molten gold poured over his head after his son was killed and legions destroyed. I don’t want Musk’s family to suffer but I would like to see him go to Mars.
- newaccount7g 3y agoYeah he’s an enemy combatant like Trump. Another country other than US and he’d have been blown up long ago.
- thimp 3y agoI'd like him to leave for Mars. I'm not bothered if he gets there or not...
- zpeti 3y agoBoth musk and Walter isaacson have denied that’s what happened. I don’t think there’s definitive proof, but the way you are telling the story makes out like everyone agrees this is what happened, which is simply not true. (Starlink was never even enabled in that area according to musk and isaacson)
- Baguette5242 3y agoAt some point, someone needs to explain to me why political and/or public figures are still active and using this garbage platform. I would understand this if we were like in 2005~2010 when Facebook, Twitter and co. were at the top of the hype and where centralization was not a big concern for anyone, but nowadays, with all the red flags, all the shit show and all the alternatives that there are... I really don't get it.
- dagw 3y agosomeone needs to explain to me why political and/or public figures are still active and using this garbage platform. Because that's where the journalists hang out. If you want journalists to see and report on your words and activities you have to be where they are, since they are far too lazy to go out and find you.
- jeffbee 3y agoA huge portion of legit journos have sworn off Twitter. Entire networks have left Twitter. Most of the writers that I followed there are now found only on Bluesky.
- nemo44x 3y agoThose are activists that call themselves journalists.
- jeffbee 3y agoAh yes, in order to not be "an activist" you must post on Twitter. Well-known fact.
- dagw 3y agoA huge portion of legit journos have sworn off Twitter They may have sworn off posting to Twitter, but I bet you most of them are on Twitter every single day looking for 'stories'
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- drooopy 3y agoI guess that the FSB has some kind of "kompromat" on fake tony stark?
- Netcob 3y agoWhy, if just telling him he's a visionary genius works just as well?
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- rsynnott 3y agoSo, it's kind of the same as the claims RE Trump; what could the FSB _possibly_ have that would be more embarrassing than the things that they reveal about themselves? I would consider the possibility that these people just find dictatorial strongman posturing appealing; it's a fairly common affliction, unfortunately.
- foverzar 3y ago> people just find dictatorial strongman posturing appealing; it's a fairly common affliction, unfortunately. Absolutely nobody finds "dictatorial strongman posturing" appealing and that's not what ever happens IRL. Do you actually unironically believe that those people think like "oh yes, bring me some more of that strong hard dictatorship", rather than simply having completely different insight and experience than you do?
- rsynnott 3y agoYeah, no, I think for some people I think it really is basically the aesthetics. Notably, there are people who are into _both Putin and Stalin_. Now, ideologically that makes no sense at all, they're not at all close. But they're quite similar aesthetically.
- archagon 3y agoYes, far more people than I previously realized love "dictatorial strongman posturing," as long as they perceive that the "strongman" is on their side and willing to crush their enemies.
- andsoitis 3y agoDoesn’t look suspended to me: https://twitter.com/yulia_navalnaya https://twitter.com/yulia_navalnaya
- foogazi 3y ago> works on my machine
- gryn 3y agoso much for buying the platform to allow for free speech.
- SilverBirch 3y agoThis is probably a bit of a nothing story. It's an easy tactic for companies like twitter to minimize their workload simply by saying "Hey, for an average account, if it gets a tonne of reports, we just auto-suspend it". Is this open to abuse? Sure. Will it get worked out after a day or two? Probably. These social networks are full of hacks like these to try to reduce the user:moderator ratio to below 1:1.
- TrackerFF 3y agoShe went from 0 to 100k followers in a day, after going public about the murder of her husband. 100% chance her account was mass reported by Russian-backed users/bot/loyalist accounts. But the account has been restored, so you are right that this was likely just some automated process that every new user is exposed to.
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- rsynnott 3y ago> It is unclear why her account has been suspended by the social network, formerly Twitter - which is owned by Elon Musk. I see what you did there, Sky News.
- SubiculumCode 3y agoThis is my final straw.
- rsynnott 3y ago... Wait, _really_? I'm endlessly fascinated with what peoples' final Twitter straw was (mine was in Nov 2022). You'd think that by now, anyone who gave a shit about anything would have left, but there does seem to be a steady stream of last straws with each new fuckup.
- harryvederci 3y ago> I'm endlessly fascinated with what peoples' final Twitter straw was Mine was its creation.
- eggy 3y agoProbably an automated algorithm as they said back in the Dorsey days even when he refused to confirm why it didn't auto-populate a user's search box with Republicans as much as Democrats during his 2018 testimony. I didn't know squat about Navalny except for a blurb about him on some news show a while back. It didn't discuss his far-right extremist affiliations then, which he supposedly gave up many years ago, or his xenophobia with immigration views.
- belter 3y ago"X social media platform restores account of Navalny’s widow, Yulia Navalnaya, after brief suspension" - https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/20/x-suspends-account-of-navalnys-widow-yulia-navalnaya.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/20/x-suspends-account-of-navaln...
- joak 3y agoFake news, the account is not suspended. https://twitter.com/yulia_navalnaya https://twitter.com/yulia_navalnaya
- kspacewalk2 3y agoNot fake news, the account was suspended and is now restored.
- lsaferite 3y agoI'm always perplexed by the people that say "this thing you claimed isn't true right now, so you lied" while ignoring that it was true at the point the claim was made. Are they being purposely dense to try and discredit things? As a person who don't have a devious bone in their body (as far as I can tell), I'm always just having to imagine what their motivations are.
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- dpkirchner 3y agoWhen someone says "fake news(stop)" they're asking to have their comment immediately dismissed without (much) consideration. If they, instead, said: "it doesn't look like the account is suspended now, perhaps it was restored" I suspect the response would have been different.
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- gerjomarty 3y agoNot passing judgement on this at all, but just giving you another data point. Every so often, Hololive, a famous Virtual YouTuber agency, debuts a new set of talents by introducing their biographies and Twitter accounts. Because they're so popular, they get an influx of hundreds of thousands of new followers over the course of a day or two after only tweeting once. A large number of these new accounts get restricted because of automated systems assuming it's a bot, when actually it's legitimate excitement and/or network effects.
- 1letterunixname 3y agoTyranny of silicon capitalism consuming the public commons. It's like a house with an HOA, only 1e9x worse.
- guax 3y agoI think X would benefit from having a verification system for public figures where mass report would lead to manual review instead of insta ban etc. it could double up as a way for people to know they're following the real person.
- andrelaszlo 3y agoMaybe there could be some kind of easily recognizable symbol on their profiles. I guess it would never work.
- bartimus 3y agoThe good thing is her account went from ~100K to nearly 300K followers since this incident.