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Defeatist mentality. The author doesn't give any practical solution to the problem, or things anyone could do to improve their specific or general situation, w

Defeatist mentality. The author doesn't give any practical solution to the problem, or things anyone could do to improve their specific or general situation, we call that whining.

NilMostChill 3y ago
So i have two genuine questions: > The author doesn't give any practical solution to the problem, or things anyone could do to improve their specific or general situation. Are you implying that nobody should be writing about anything they don't have a practical solution to ? and > we call that whining. who is we ?
- tharne 3y ago
  > Are you implying that nobody should be writing about anything they don't have a practical solution to ? I think the commenter is implying that we live in a culture where people think they can change the world by whining loud enough and long enough about a problem so that someone else fixes it for them, rather than doing the hard work of fixing it themselves.
  - cratermoon 3y ago
    The first step to addressing a problem is to give it a name and cause. Solutionism without understanding is a waste of effort.
    - tharne 3y ago
      > The first step to addressing a problem is to give it a name and cause. Solutionism without understanding is a waste of effort. Sure, but once things are given a name and a cause, you typically find very few people willing to actually do the work. You'll find most people aren't much interested in the issues they claim to be passionate about once the cameras are off and social media has moved on to another topic.
    - EchoChamberMan 3y ago
      How does "greed" work for you? It doesn't appear in the article though. It's almost as if she has to be extremely cautious not to offend, so she can be heard at all.
  - NilMostChill 3y ago
    i agree somewhat though i suspect there are more scenarios than not in which most normal people won't be able to fix it regardless of how hard they work. Not to say we should all wait for the powers on high to fix things for us, but be realistic in our expectations about what most people are able to affect as a single person. I'd also argue that what some would consider whining is in fact a solution or at least a prerequisite for one.
verve_rat 3y ago
I dislike shallow dismissals like this. I can't play an instrument, but I can tell if you play one badly. I can't direct or write a movie, but I can give you my review and tell you if you should watch it. The idea that someone pointing out problems _has_ to provide a solution or their critical evaluation is worthless is just bonkers.
boring_twenties 3y ago
I don't see any suggestions for improvement in your critique of this article, either. Which would make your comment whining by your own definition

Defeatist mentality. The author doesn't give any practical solution to the problem, or things anyone could do to improve their specific or general situation, we call that whining.

NilMostChill 3y ago

So i have two genuine questions: > The author doesn't give any practical solution to the problem, or things anyone could do to improve their specific or general situation. Are you implying that nobody should be writing about anything they don't have a practical solution to ? and > we call that whining. who is we ?

tharne 3y ago
> Are you implying that nobody should be writing about anything they don't have a practical solution to ? I think the commenter is implying that we live in a culture where people think they can change the world by whining loud enough and long enough about a problem so that someone else fixes it for them, rather than doing the hard work of fixing it themselves.
- cratermoon 3y ago
  The first step to addressing a problem is to give it a name and cause. Solutionism without understanding is a waste of effort.
  - tharne 3y ago
    > The first step to addressing a problem is to give it a name and cause. Solutionism without understanding is a waste of effort. Sure, but once things are given a name and a cause, you typically find very few people willing to actually do the work. You'll find most people aren't much interested in the issues they claim to be passionate about once the cameras are off and social media has moved on to another topic.
  - EchoChamberMan 3y ago
    How does "greed" work for you? It doesn't appear in the article though. It's almost as if she has to be extremely cautious not to offend, so she can be heard at all.
- NilMostChill 3y ago
  i agree somewhat though i suspect there are more scenarios than not in which most normal people won't be able to fix it regardless of how hard they work. Not to say we should all wait for the powers on high to fix things for us, but be realistic in our expectations about what most people are able to affect as a single person. I'd also argue that what some would consider whining is in fact a solution or at least a prerequisite for one.

verve_rat 3y ago

I dislike shallow dismissals like this. I can't play an instrument, but I can tell if you play one badly. I can't direct or write a movie, but I can give you my review and tell you if you should watch it. The idea that someone pointing out problems _has_ to provide a solution or their critical evaluation is worthless is just bonkers.

boring_twenties 3y ago

I don't see any suggestions for improvement in your critique of this article, either. Which would make your comment whining by your own definition