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It’s fine if you you’re not inclined to believe the claims of Grusch, or Corso, or any number of other people who have made more or less the same set of claims

It’s fine if you you’re not inclined to believe the claims of Grusch, or Corso, or any number of other people who have made more or less the same set of claims over the years. It’s worth pointing out, though, that the U.S. government lied, point blank, about a whole bunch of things that they now publicly claim were secret weapons tests. Our government fully denied the existence of any military base at the site popularly known as Area 51 for decades, until they just came out and admitted to its existence in the 90s. And they did so at least in part because of pressure from UFO researchers! If your evidence that any part of UFO folklore is definitely false is just that “the US government said it was [x]”, you shouldn’t be surprised if people don’t find that convincing!

easyThrowaway 3y ago
The most insightful conclusion we can get from the existence of Area 51 is the lack of accountability from the US Army to the general public. Whether it's hiding Aliens or (more realistically) some really nasty secrets from the Cold War Era, You got the army independently operating a structure on home soil, syphoning public money without having to answer to no one.
AymanJabr 3y ago
Until there is physical evidence that can be confirmed by third parties of other nations, we should just treat the entire thing as PsyOps. The existence of Alien civilizations at a level of development so far from us that they would be Gods is such an outrageous claim, that it would need outrageous amounts of evidence. Taking the words of Government officials who have the blessing of the military to "whistleblow" is just not good enough.
- nprateem 3y ago
  It's outrageous to seriously believe we're the most advanced life form in the entire universe. Whether anyone's come visiting is the issue.
  - Larrikin 3y ago
    Its not outrageous to believe it's possible we are actually first or the most advanced without evidence to refute it. We currently have no evidence otherwise, and our best hopes (in my lifetime atleast) are finding ocean dwelling creatures on moons in the solar system that have no technology capable of reaching Earth. It's just outrageous to think we are a unique possibility in the entire universe given how many stars and galaxies we have discovered.
    - nprateem 3y ago
      In an infinite universe it's infinitely probable there are other more advanced civilisations.
      - paulryanrogers 3y ago
        Just not necessarily at the same time, or with sufficient resources to reach us.
      - ablation 3y ago
        The idea that an infinite universe means infinitely many advanced civilisations is appealing but I think your statement oversimplifies a complex issue. Firstly, the universe's infinity is not a settled matter; current cosmology suggests it's vast but finite, but of course, there's no absolute answer to this (yet). I'd also look to the Drake Equation when considering this point, which illustrates the myriad factors and sheer number of uncertainties involved in the development of "advanced civilisations". So, yeah: while advanced civilisations are certainly possible, they may not be as probable as you suggest, even in a universe brimming with stars and planets.
        actionfromafar 3y ago
        And if they are outside our light cone, they just as well might not exist. There is no-one and will never be anyone to hear that tree fall in the forest.
- GoblinSlayer 3y ago
  I wouldn't say being gods is that far, just many humans are dumb and on top of that even don't want to use whatever brains they got. It's self inflicted retardation really.
- k8svet 3y ago
  Hey. The first comment actually hitting on it. There is zero difference between UFO truthers and religious folks. Literally the arguments being made in this thread would apply to "is god real? And yet once again were here, already taking the unfounded conspiracy more seriously than it deserves to be. And in fact, I see the causes being the same. People are losing control. Losing the excitement of the capitalist consumer treadmill. Searching for answers and clarity. What would solve all of my problems that the single largest shift in human history! Jesus's return! I mean aliens!
krapp 3y ago
>If your evidence that any part of UFO folklore is definitely false is just that “the US government said it was [x]”, you shouldn’t be surprised if people don’t find that convincing! Luckily, no skeptic of the UFO narrative has just the government's word as evidence to the contrary. What's weird is that the same people claiming you shouldn't trust the government when it denies the UFO narrative are using the government and its integrity to argue that Grusch et. al must be telling the truth, that Grusch is a man of unquestioned integrity and honor and no one would just go in front of Congress and tell lies. The same government which has apparently been orchestrating a sprawling conspiracy of lies and psy-ops around UFOs for almost a hundred years, but for some weird reason respects the bureaucracy enough that they'll just let Grusch blow the lid off of the whole affair. Even though that hasn't really happened yet. I'm sure it'll happen any day now. You can't have it both ways.

easyThrowaway 3y ago

The most insightful conclusion we can get from the existence of Area 51 is the lack of accountability from the US Army to the general public. Whether it's hiding Aliens or (more realistically) some really nasty secrets from the Cold War Era, You got the army independently operating a structure on home soil, syphoning public money without having to answer to no one.

AymanJabr 3y ago

Until there is physical evidence that can be confirmed by third parties of other nations, we should just treat the entire thing as PsyOps. The existence of Alien civilizations at a level of development so far from us that they would be Gods is such an outrageous claim, that it would need outrageous amounts of evidence. Taking the words of Government officials who have the blessing of the military to "whistleblow" is just not good enough.

nprateem 3y ago
It's outrageous to seriously believe we're the most advanced life form in the entire universe. Whether anyone's come visiting is the issue.
- Larrikin 3y ago
  Its not outrageous to believe it's possible we are actually first or the most advanced without evidence to refute it. We currently have no evidence otherwise, and our best hopes (in my lifetime atleast) are finding ocean dwelling creatures on moons in the solar system that have no technology capable of reaching Earth. It's just outrageous to think we are a unique possibility in the entire universe given how many stars and galaxies we have discovered.
  - nprateem 3y ago
    In an infinite universe it's infinitely probable there are other more advanced civilisations.
    - paulryanrogers 3y ago
      Just not necessarily at the same time, or with sufficient resources to reach us.
    - ablation 3y ago
      The idea that an infinite universe means infinitely many advanced civilisations is appealing but I think your statement oversimplifies a complex issue. Firstly, the universe's infinity is not a settled matter; current cosmology suggests it's vast but finite, but of course, there's no absolute answer to this (yet). I'd also look to the Drake Equation when considering this point, which illustrates the myriad factors and sheer number of uncertainties involved in the development of "advanced civilisations". So, yeah: while advanced civilisations are certainly possible, they may not be as probable as you suggest, even in a universe brimming with stars and planets.
      - actionfromafar 3y ago
        And if they are outside our light cone, they just as well might not exist. There is no-one and will never be anyone to hear that tree fall in the forest.
GoblinSlayer 3y ago
I wouldn't say being gods is that far, just many humans are dumb and on top of that even don't want to use whatever brains they got. It's self inflicted retardation really.
k8svet 3y ago
Hey. The first comment actually hitting on it. There is zero difference between UFO truthers and religious folks. Literally the arguments being made in this thread would apply to "is god real? And yet once again were here, already taking the unfounded conspiracy more seriously than it deserves to be. And in fact, I see the causes being the same. People are losing control. Losing the excitement of the capitalist consumer treadmill. Searching for answers and clarity. What would solve all of my problems that the single largest shift in human history! Jesus's return! I mean aliens!

krapp 3y ago

>If your evidence that any part of UFO folklore is definitely false is just that “the US government said it was [x]”, you shouldn’t be surprised if people don’t find that convincing! Luckily, no skeptic of the UFO narrative has just the government's word as evidence to the contrary. What's weird is that the same people claiming you shouldn't trust the government when it denies the UFO narrative are using the government and its integrity to argue that Grusch et. al must be telling the truth, that Grusch is a man of unquestioned integrity and honor and no one would just go in front of Congress and tell lies. The same government which has apparently been orchestrating a sprawling conspiracy of lies and psy-ops around UFOs for almost a hundred years, but for some weird reason respects the bureaucracy enough that they'll just let Grusch blow the lid off of the whole affair. Even though that hasn't really happened yet. I'm sure it'll happen any day now. You can't have it both ways.