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Sure, they're so far advanced that we can't see them, and they just came over here to chill. Like a nice vacation for them. No desire to extinguish us or talk t

Sure, they're so far advanced that we can't see them, and they just came over here to chill. Like a nice vacation for them. No desire to extinguish us or talk to us. Just hanging out.

muppetman 3y ago
Imagine the Voyager probe ending up on a planet and being discovered in 500 million years. It wasn't sent with extinguish plans, not will it be able to communicate.
- coldtea 3y ago
  That will be something quite feasible for an alien civilization to build, and highly believable, if we found something like that. Visits from actual beings (that overwise stay incognito), travelling tens or even thousands of light years, hyperadvanced sci-fi technologies like FTL and invisibility (suggested above) and so on, not so much.
  - worksonmine 3y ago
    Why not? To them it could be like any other tuesday and communication could be pointless. We have a tendency to see ourselves as so important but forget how we act. We still discover new species and catalogue them, but many of those have probably been seen before by someone who didn't care.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      >Why not? To them it could be like any other tuesday If we're going for "with magic, anything's possible" (but just substitute magic with "technology") then sure...
      - worksonmine 3y ago
        "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". In the last century lots of things that were considered science fiction has become normal parts of our lives. And not that long ago "aliens don't exist" was the default and only crazies believed in them. Now it's mainstream that there is a high probability at least somewhere in the universe, the only argument needed is that we exist, so of course it could happen again or before. We're not as special as we like to think. We've had hearings regarding UFOs (yes, yes, I know it doesn't imply aliens) in the congress. But if you want to reduce it to magic go ahead. And the part you quoted was regarding them choosing not to communicate with us, if that wasn't clear.
        coldtea 3y ago
        >In the last century lots of things that were considered science fiction has become normal parts of our lives All of those things are within the laws of physics. >And not that long ago "aliens don't exist" was the default and only crazies believed in them. The latter is still the case now.
        worksonmine 3y ago
        > All of those things are within the laws of physics. And infrared doesn't? That said it wasn't always in the laws of physics, and they may still be wrong, they have changed in the last century. > The latter is still the case now. I'm not sure most people would agree with you, more likely to answer "I don't know, maybe". I find it very strange when people are so certain about uncertain topics, difficult to relate.
exe34 3y ago
But occasionally they pick some north American schmuck off the road at night and diddle with them.
- TheTxT 3y ago
  It’s for their alien reality TV show of course!
The_Colonel 3y ago
Your comment is full of antropomorphisms. I don't believe in their presence on earth, but you can't "disprove" them like that. Still, you can find explanations fitting the observations. Like the ant analogy, a scientist is not going to try to communicate with ants. They want to observe without disturbing the ants too much, even if the scientist doesn't take too much precautions to make themselves completely invisible.
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  What? Of course they would try to communicate if the ants showed any smallest capability or interest in doing so. See people trying to communicate with dolphins, monkeys, chimps, octopuses, cats, dogs, crows, ...
  - worksonmine 3y ago
    You're looking at it from your perspective. Humans could be completely useless to them and they could be here for some resource. Loggers in the amazon don't try to communicate with the bugs around them, they do what they're there to do. It's not given that other life forms would be interested in us, they might've learned what they needed a long time ago. And now we're just part of their environment. Or they realize we're too stupid and would just try to kill them so they don't.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    > What? Of course they would try to communicate if the ants showed any smallest capability or interest in doing so. Ants do communicate, a lot in fact (chemically). How else would they coordinate the colony? Yet I don't remember hearing about scientists trying to communicate with them, announce our presence, or exchange ideas.
    - throwaway11460 3y ago
      That's more of instinct than intelligent communication, though. Hard to exchange ideas when the vocabulary is a pheromone that makes a drone want to work or fuck. I'd be the first person trying to exchange ideas if it was in any way possible - seriously, in a scientific capacity. Ants fascinate me. But there really is no way to communicate.
worksonmine 3y ago
We don't see infrared, would you call infrared light "so far advanced"? It's just a different spectrum. They could be very stupid and just floating around and still be invisible to us. I'm not trying to say there are beings living among us on a spectrum we don't know about, but it's an interesting thought and anyone dismissing it with certainty are closed-minded. In my experience those people are rarely interesting and can only discuss very shallow topics from perspectives they've been told by others. What's the weather like? Who's fucking who? How's the super bowl going? Especially when they're antagonistic in their rhetoric. Thinking outside the box and pondering the what ifs in life is the only reason we got out of the caves.

Sure, they're so far advanced that we can't see them, and they just came over here to chill. Like a nice vacation for them. No desire to extinguish us or talk to us. Just hanging out.

muppetman 3y ago

Imagine the Voyager probe ending up on a planet and being discovered in 500 million years. It wasn't sent with extinguish plans, not will it be able to communicate.

coldtea 3y ago
That will be something quite feasible for an alien civilization to build, and highly believable, if we found something like that. Visits from actual beings (that overwise stay incognito), travelling tens or even thousands of light years, hyperadvanced sci-fi technologies like FTL and invisibility (suggested above) and so on, not so much.
- worksonmine 3y ago
  Why not? To them it could be like any other tuesday and communication could be pointless. We have a tendency to see ourselves as so important but forget how we act. We still discover new species and catalogue them, but many of those have probably been seen before by someone who didn't care.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    >Why not? To them it could be like any other tuesday If we're going for "with magic, anything's possible" (but just substitute magic with "technology") then sure...
    - worksonmine 3y ago
      "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". In the last century lots of things that were considered science fiction has become normal parts of our lives. And not that long ago "aliens don't exist" was the default and only crazies believed in them. Now it's mainstream that there is a high probability at least somewhere in the universe, the only argument needed is that we exist, so of course it could happen again or before. We're not as special as we like to think. We've had hearings regarding UFOs (yes, yes, I know it doesn't imply aliens) in the congress. But if you want to reduce it to magic go ahead. And the part you quoted was regarding them choosing not to communicate with us, if that wasn't clear.
      - coldtea 3y ago
        >In the last century lots of things that were considered science fiction has become normal parts of our lives All of those things are within the laws of physics. >And not that long ago "aliens don't exist" was the default and only crazies believed in them. The latter is still the case now.
        worksonmine 3y ago
        > All of those things are within the laws of physics. And infrared doesn't? That said it wasn't always in the laws of physics, and they may still be wrong, they have changed in the last century. > The latter is still the case now. I'm not sure most people would agree with you, more likely to answer "I don't know, maybe". I find it very strange when people are so certain about uncertain topics, difficult to relate.

exe34 3y ago

But occasionally they pick some north American schmuck off the road at night and diddle with them.

TheTxT 3y ago
It’s for their alien reality TV show of course!

The_Colonel 3y ago

Your comment is full of antropomorphisms. I don't believe in their presence on earth, but you can't "disprove" them like that. Still, you can find explanations fitting the observations. Like the ant analogy, a scientist is not going to try to communicate with ants. They want to observe without disturbing the ants too much, even if the scientist doesn't take too much precautions to make themselves completely invisible.

throwaway11460 3y ago
What? Of course they would try to communicate if the ants showed any smallest capability or interest in doing so. See people trying to communicate with dolphins, monkeys, chimps, octopuses, cats, dogs, crows, ...
- worksonmine 3y ago
  You're looking at it from your perspective. Humans could be completely useless to them and they could be here for some resource. Loggers in the amazon don't try to communicate with the bugs around them, they do what they're there to do. It's not given that other life forms would be interested in us, they might've learned what they needed a long time ago. And now we're just part of their environment. Or they realize we're too stupid and would just try to kill them so they don't.
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  > What? Of course they would try to communicate if the ants showed any smallest capability or interest in doing so. Ants do communicate, a lot in fact (chemically). How else would they coordinate the colony? Yet I don't remember hearing about scientists trying to communicate with them, announce our presence, or exchange ideas.
  - throwaway11460 3y ago
    That's more of instinct than intelligent communication, though. Hard to exchange ideas when the vocabulary is a pheromone that makes a drone want to work or fuck. I'd be the first person trying to exchange ideas if it was in any way possible - seriously, in a scientific capacity. Ants fascinate me. But there really is no way to communicate.

worksonmine 3y ago

We don't see infrared, would you call infrared light "so far advanced"? It's just a different spectrum. They could be very stupid and just floating around and still be invisible to us. I'm not trying to say there are beings living among us on a spectrum we don't know about, but it's an interesting thought and anyone dismissing it with certainty are closed-minded. In my experience those people are rarely interesting and can only discuss very shallow topics from perspectives they've been told by others. What's the weather like? Who's fucking who? How's the super bowl going? Especially when they're antagonistic in their rhetoric. Thinking outside the box and pondering the what ifs in life is the only reason we got out of the caves.